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Old November 15th, 2013, 11:05 PM   #601
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And what is your opinion on the text below written by Halszka from Ostrog in 1576...

"Ja Łukaszowaja z Gorki wojewodinaja poznanskaja Halżbieta Kniażna Ostroskaja i ne za żadnom prymuszeniem ani namowami, jedno rozmyśliwszy sia stateczne i dowodne, soznawaju kożdomu, komu toho potreba wedati abo cztuczi słuszaty: Zostawszy mnie pierwie po nieboszczyku otcu mojemu Knieżati Konstantinowiczu Ostrogskomu starosti bracławskomu i winnickomu, potom i po nieboszczyku mużu mojemu panu Łukaszu z Gorki wojewodi poznanskomu, w siroctwie i wdowstwie mojem, i buduczy wielce nieznosnemi krywdami, trudnostiami i dolegliwostiami utisnena, a ja opuszczonaja oto wsich krewnich, bliźnich i powinnyoh moich, kotoryi ne tolko aby mnie w tych wsich niefortunnych pripadkach moich ratunek albo pomożenie czynity mieli, tak jakoby na krewnoju i miłoju powinuoju wedUa Pana Boba słusznie prystojało i należało; ale żadnyj z nich nazwaty nikoli nie chotdeł, a jakoby wzgardiewszy mnoju, sirotstwom, niedostatkom i wdowstwom moim a sniscyj wyrekajuczy sia s krewnosti i powinnosti, wsie menie zaniechali i opustili , prawie i zapomnieli; tolko doznali i na siej czas ustawicznie doznawajem weUkoj nieżności i newymownoj łaski, dobrotliwosti, ratunku i pripomożenia Jego Miłosti jaśnie wielmoźnaho pana Konstantina Konstantinowicza Kniażati Ostrogskoho wojewody kiewskoho, marszałka Zemli Wołyńskoj, starosty wołodymirskoho, kotoroje mnie Jeho Miłost jeszcze za żywota nieboszczyka małżonka mojeho tajże i po smierti czyniły i okazowały(...)"
Old Belarusian/Ukranian - it has features both Belarusian and Ukranian, even a bit more Ukranian. The difference between these languages in that time was insignificant. And as well difference from Polish was significantly less then it appears now.

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I can easily understand over 90% of that text. How is it possible? Was Old Belarusian (or Polish) just a local dialect of the same language?! I'm absolutely shocked.
I guess you might easy understand over 90% modern Belarusian if it was spelled with latin letters
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Old November 16th, 2013, 09:33 AM   #602
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Old Belarusian/Ukranian - it has features both Belarusian and Ukranian, even a bit more Ukranian. The difference between these languages in that time was insignificant. And as well difference from Polish was significantly less then it appears now.

I guess you might easy understand over 90% modern Belarusian if it was spelled with latin letters
And what about belarussian "łacinka" (лацінка), is there any chance that this way of notification become widely used in Belarus? I suppose it could be use as secondary designation on road signs or even in passports. The way belarussian names are being transferred to english alphabet seems a little strange and/or cofusing to me...
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November 28, 2011, the windmill in Malawicze (district sokólski, Podlaskie) turned into ashes. The property was built in 1937. The construction lasted twelve months. The windmill is installed devices that allow for the obtaining of milling wheat flour and grist.
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Old November 16th, 2013, 10:40 PM   #604
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what caused the fire, hooliganism/vandalism that is a popular past-time amongst Polish thugs or lightning?
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Old November 17th, 2013, 11:31 AM   #607
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Old November 29th, 2013, 11:35 AM   #609
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Polish soldiers captured by the Germans during the Polish invasion by Germany.

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The coronation of Our Lady of Swarzewo as the Queen of the Sea (1937)










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Old November 30th, 2013, 01:18 PM   #612
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And ~1000 kilometers away in Sołotwina (now Ukraine), Count Adam Zdzisław Zamoyski and Count Alfred Antoni Potocki during the hunt...




Count Adam Zdzisław Zamoyski and his brothers Zygmunt and Władysław; Count Władysław Tyszkiewicz posing with deer antlers


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Kołomyja was inhabited by Roman Catholics (3x churches + 1x demolished during partitions of Poland), Eastern Catholics (2x churches) and Jews (1x synagogue).
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Old December 1st, 2013, 02:20 AM   #613
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Looking at two threads... this one, and the one with pictures of German cities before war I think this world shouldn't have ended like it did.
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Old December 1st, 2013, 12:59 PM   #614
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Yes, now I'm sure it's Polish, because I found similar texts from the same period (1500-1540).

However, Old Ruthenian language was very close to Polish at the time...Please see the book title (published in Nieśwież in 1562) transliteration from Cyrylic to Latin alphabet below:
"Katichizis, to jest nauka starodawnaja chrystianskaja od swiatogo Pisma dlia prostych ludiej jazyka ruskago w pytaniach i odkazach sobrana"

No surprise that Poles and Ruthenians were getting along so well
In terms of sound it was almost like old-polish language :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xOesEmd9h4
"Зварот да Караля". Леў Сапега. 1588 г.

The same as moderns polish and belarusian. I woul assume that if belarusian text was written in latin alphabet, most literate poles would understand most of it.
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Kołomyja was inhabited by Roman Catholics (3x churches + 1x demolished during partitions of Poland), Eastern Catholics (2x churches) and Jews (1x synagogue).
Isn'y it the nice way to bend statistics? Instead of showing how many people of different faith used to live, let's show number of churches to hide that Roman Catholics were minority in the so called Kresy
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Raf124, modern Belarusian language is not so close to Polish as it was before WW2. Russian, and not Belarusian, is the dominant language in Belarus, spoken normally at home by 70% of the population. Belarusian language is under very strong Russian influence and some assimilation processes can be seen, e.g. many words from Russian vocabulary have been adapted, as well as modern Belarusian grammar is now more similar to Russian ("Narkamawka").

Probably, "Taraškievica" or "Tutejszy" written in Latin alphabet would've been even easier to understand for Poles than modern Belarusian.

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Religions in Poland (1931)


Yellow - Roman Catholics
Grey - Eastern Catholics
Pink - Orthodox
Green - Protestants
Blue - Jews
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Monuments in Pelplin...


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Battle of Warsaw 1920
That would explain the collapse of sculpture in Poland and terribly low quality of new monuments. It seems that we're only coming back to traditions of the Second Republic

Pity though we don't have architecture and city planning like in 1920s
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I believe that one of the most positive features of the pre-1945 cities, not only in Poland, was the lack of the urban-sprawl that became so common in the eastern block after the war. The new communist residential districts, with their aesthetically dubious commieblocks, and new industrial facilities were usually built in the unurbanised areas outside the existing urban fabric, creating a sort of vast new "rings" of urbanisation and permanently cutting off the populations of most of the cities from easy access to the surrounding natural environment and the countryside. In the 1930s, a typical summer weekend in Warsaw would include a short boat trip to the beautiful beaches and forests just north of the city. Thousands of people would have family picnics along the green banks of the Vistula river. Today, we have to rely on municipal parks and city forests, but that, I think, is not exactly the same.

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