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Old March 5th, 2009, 07:57 PM   #1
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New cars for Volgograd's express tram

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Old March 5th, 2009, 08:09 PM   #2
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unfortunately not 100% low floor. The coupling looks quite rudimentary, do they actually plan to use them in multiple traction? And who built the trams?
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Old March 5th, 2009, 08:23 PM   #3
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Old March 5th, 2009, 08:27 PM   #4
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unfortunately not 100% low floor. The coupling looks quite rudimentary, do they actually plan to use them in multiple traction? And who built the trams?
As far as I know they have been tested in St. Petersburg, so I think they have been built there.

During testing in Piter:



I don't think that multiple traction is planned.
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this are product of PTMF.
Petersburg tram mechanical factory.'''

called LVS-2009 they already have LM-2008 and LVS-2005

there is no ned of 100 percent low flor trams cause their bogies dont turn well. mostly and cause rail damage.
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Aren't they similar to the new trams in Prague?
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Old March 6th, 2009, 12:30 PM   #7
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Aren't they similar to the new trams in Prague?
They are similarly to some new trams in St. Petersburg, about Prague I don't know.
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These are the new trams of St. Petersburg, which I mean:

http://transit.parovoz.com/muralista...ID=8273&LNG=EN
http://transit.parovoz.com/muralista...D=10817&LNG=EN

They are shorter than the ones for Volgograd and they have only one cab and doors only on the right side.
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Old March 7th, 2009, 10:44 PM   #10
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this are product of PTMF.
there is no ned of 100 percent low flor trams cause their bogies dont turn well. mostly and cause rail damage.
that's the most ridiculous excuse I've ever heard.
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that's the most ridiculous excuse I've ever heard.
it's only true. 100% low floor trams require independent buggies, which doesn't always work well. Especially in teight turns.
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Why is the old tram in front of the new?
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that's the most ridiculous excuse I've ever heard.
Actually it's very true.

And that's the reason behind the development of Skoda 15t ForCity, world's only 100% low floor, all wheel powered tram with pivoting bogeys. Because conventional low floor trams with rigid bogeys failed on Prague's complicated network with a lot of tight corners ans steep slopes (inducing large rail wear).



Russians obviously went the easier way and gave up 100% low floor to achieve the same - smoother ride and less rail wear. Especially when they don't need all wheels powered in their flat land (a non powered bogey under a low floor is relatively easy engineering task, unlike the powered one).
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Skoda $ 4 000 000
LVS $ 1 000 000

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St-P tram not bad, a little bit more design and I would be happy. Sure cuting cost in 4 is great. 80% is good compromise for people with wheelchairs and normal people. In Riga RVR was initally forbidden to bid for Riga because they had a 80% low floor tram since the 80's and not 100%, Riga wanted 100% low floor. A way to put a company out of business. Pity for RVR who's got a great history.

If I remember well, Riga, it was around 78 millions Euros for 20 trams (only one bidder: Skoda) that will arrive sooner or later (they are ordered)., (other companies have somehow been put aside...). Instead of 20 trams of Skoda, Riga could have had around 80 trams of St-P or RVR 80% low floor revamped...

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LVS-2005

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Old Tatra on the picture is broken down adn LVS 2009 is carrying it to the depot.
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And how do the drivers communicate? Isn't that a little bit dangerous?
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Is the lady in the center of the picture responsible for selling tickets?
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Is the lady in the center of the picture responsible for selling tickets?
Would be a new strategy to get rid of people not paying the fare.
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