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Old November 6th, 2012, 11:08 AM   #41
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The map uses Belarussian Latin, which is incomprehensible for anyone inside or outside Belarus. Bad decision!
Not agree. Many DO understand that. Especially the neighbours of Belarus, who travel the most there. In my opinion that's a good decision.
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Old November 6th, 2012, 02:24 PM   #42
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Not agree. Many DO understand that. Especially the neighbours of Belarus, who travel the most there. In my opinion that's a good decision.
Who in the world is traveling to Belarus these days?
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Old November 6th, 2012, 02:28 PM   #43
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Here is a video of an American trying to read Belarussian Latin, which uses the same letters as Western European languages but with different sounds attached to those letters.

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Old November 6th, 2012, 03:12 PM   #44
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Well, my congratulations to our Belarusian neighbors with official opening of three new stations! Lukashenko opened this section today (although passengers will be able to use it from tomorrow). I'm glad to know that despite all difficulties, the Metro continues to expand in your capital! I'm waiting for opening of new station next year and for beginning of construction of third line in near future!




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Old November 6th, 2012, 04:32 PM   #45
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I'm glad to know that despite all difficulties, the Metro continues to expand in your capital!
One wonders whether the money would have been better spent on quality housing for pensioners or bringing some of the world's highest inflation under control....
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Old November 6th, 2012, 05:22 PM   #46
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Here is a video of an American trying to read Belarussian Latin, which uses the same letters as Western European languages but with different sounds attached to those letters.
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Don't get me wrong, but that's bull sh**
There isnt one comon way of reading. You point is too english-centric.
If you ask a spaniard, he will read it differently than ppl from Germany or Belgium
If you ask somebody from Croatia or any slavic country - they will read it correctly or almost perfect.
If that guy in teh video would get one simple rule that 'j' is pronounciated as 'y' in english - then he wouldnt have played an idiot in front of the map. With another simple rule 'c' = 'ts' he could easy comunicate with the locals (more or less)
Even for latin transliteration for chinese, you have to learn rules for reading. Coz there are different sounds in teh languages and much more sounds than letters.
But it's not a big deal. The latin transliteration in Minsk gives you some idea of the sound anyway - even with special letters there shouldnt be any problems with navigating the metro system.
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With another simple rule 'c' = 'ts' he could easy comunicate with the locals (more or less)
But the 'c' in Park Calluskincau... is pronounced like a "ch" in the beginning and "ts" in the end.

It is also worth noting that the letter "ŭ" only exists in Belarussian Latin, and it is a huge stretch to imagine that anyone would think it is pronounced like an English "w." Or, for example, that the letter "H" in Hrushaŭka is pronounced like an English "g."

Transit maps shouldn't be designed to trick people or to promote a rarely used alphabet. Minsk Metro might be the first in the world where the official map does not use the language most commonly spoken in the city (i.e. Russian).
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Old November 6th, 2012, 06:34 PM   #48
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The 'c' in Park Caliuskincau... is pronounced like a "ch" because the 'c' has this thing on top of it:"č" It gives you the info about different pronounciation. It's easy - once you see it, you get it. Learn-remember-use!
The more - those kind of signs are comon among many slavic (and not only) languages

Well, ok then lets try this, read it loudly and see the spelling:
sweet, sweat, meat, read (present tense) and read (past tense)
What is the rule? There are inconsequences. English has probably worst spelling in all the languages. Almost no rules, and always just exceptions.
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Old November 6th, 2012, 07:17 PM   #49
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One wonders whether the money would have been better spent on quality housing for pensioners or bringing some of the world's highest inflation under control....
Oh, please! Metro is also greatly simplifies life for pensioners. It's foolish to think that the rejection of Metro construction can help to solve above-mentioned macroeconomic and social problems (not speaking about providing work for Metro builders).

I'm not big fan of Lukashenko. But the part of actual problems in Belarus was caused by EU economic sanctions which greatly affected on lifes of ordinary residents instead of government.

I don't want to start another political offtopic. We have a lot of political threads on SSC. Let's finally focus on Metro construction here!
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Old November 6th, 2012, 07:44 PM   #50
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Lukashenko has opened new stations today, but today when passengers try pproehat for new stations (such passengers was more than the rest), the police said today that the station is not open to Fight all, and asked to leave the train ... I was there and saw it with my own eyes ....
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Video of president opening new stations



Amazingly, the future president Kolya was not brought to the metro and does not appear in these videos. This is causing lots of speculation that maybe Lukashenko's son has fallen out of favor with the father - lots of unease in Belarus over Kolya's absence.
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Amazingly, the future president Kolya was not brought to the metro and does not appear in these videos. This is causing lots of speculation that maybe Lukashenko's son has fallen out of favor with the father - lots of unease in Belarus over Kolya's absence.
I would love to see you if you were born here to see prices ... I want to see how you are fighting for freedom, when the slightest protest harshly suppressed .... Yes, very funny look the part as a dictator betrayed power to his son ... Do you think that people are so stupid here to see prices that do not understand that they live in a dictatorship? Do you think that people do not know here to see prices???
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I would love to see you if you were born here to see prices ... I want to see how you are fighting for freedom, when the slightest protest harshly suppressed .... Yes, very funny look the part as a dictator betrayed power to his son ... Do you think that people are so stupid here to see prices that do not understand that they live in a dictatorship? Do you think that people do not know here to see prices???
Which prices are you talking about?
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What do you mean? I taught English 10 years ago in school, will explain more your question?
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What do you mean? I taught English 10 years ago in school, will explain more your question?
What is there to explain?

You mention the word "prices" in your post. The price of what?

Did you teach English as a teacher? Or did you learn English? There is a big difference.
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What is there to explain?
I do not understand the question?
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You mention the word "prices" in your post. The price of what?
I do not understand the question...
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Did you teach English as a teacher? Or did you learn English? There is a big difference.
I taught English 10 years ago at school Never one to teach English ...
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Old November 6th, 2012, 09:22 PM   #57
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Hey Woonsocket54, can you skip the politics please?

Congratulations Minsk
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Old November 6th, 2012, 09:51 PM   #58
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Congratulations Minsk
Hell yeah! Thank you. We did it! (Still cannot forgive myself for not visiting Belgrade metro.)

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Amazingly, the future president Kolya was not brought to the metro and does not appear in these videos.
Haha, all the noble people of Belarus (twitter trolls ) had a strong point believing that November 6 would be the first time for Kolya to see the subway without dead bodies on the floor...

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Hell yeah! Thank you. We did it! (Still cannot forgive myself for not visiting Belgrade metro.)
But did you at least check out the Zagreb metro?
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Hey Woonsocket54, can you skip the politics please?
Thanks very much for being impartial and singling out me.
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