MISC | What's your vision for a future airport?

[Aerolineas]

Originally Posted by rockyg

Bulacan Water Reservoir and treatment facility will be used for flood control and rainwater harvesting...there is flood gates that control the inflow/outflow of the channel and also garbage collector before discharging to manila bay. Roro will serve the cargo and passenger from other port such as visayas....

I think this is the BEST location so far with all those possibilities I hope DOTC see this as the bright solution a long term solution to our aging problem of having a true premier Airport of the Philippines I hope in our lifetime.

[rockyg]

Originally Posted by Aerolineas

What made Bulacan Airport advantage and futuristic purposes is accessible to Manila Bay that RORO and Maritime access is IMPORTANT, CONVENIENT and alternative route to BYPASS MEGA MANILA for us VISDAKZ or Southern Tagalog. I like this Flood is not issue as long as proper infrastructure is in place if Holland/Netherlands can survived why can't this Area and expansions etc... looks ok. Approved

Correct...i been in Schipol International Airport,,,,a very neat airport...an expressway is crossing below the runway.....take note that fieldofdreams...

[rockyg]

Originally Posted by rockyg

Correct...i been in Schipol International Airport,,,,a very neat airport...an expressway is crossing below the runway.....take note that fieldofdreams...

correction...crossing under the runway

[fieldsofdreams]

Noted. And oooh, a roadway or highway running under an active runway. Looks like we'll replicate KLIA!

[Bosnyboy]

My vision? Something that works. Anything better than naia1 is already a HUGE improvement

[fieldsofdreams]

Originally Posted by Bosnyboy

My vision? Something that works. Anything better than naia1 is already a HUGE improvement

Sure. Tell me what you'd like to see in the new Manila airport, or say, any new airport development in the country.

[rockyg]

Originally Posted by Bosnyboy

My vision? Something that works. Anything better than naia1 is already a HUGE improvement

tama......Ang's proposed airport is a huge improvement na. At least me nakaisip na tumulong kaysa antayin ang gobyerno....

[fieldsofdreams]

Originally Posted by rockyg

tama......Ang's proposed airport is a huge improvement na. At least me nakaisip na tumulong kaysa antayin ang gobyerno....

that has been my concern: why does it really take a private firm or company to build such important projects as building an airport if the government could work with them as a PPP? Rather than letting PAL doing it alone, should the government provide needed expertise as well to fast track airport construction, just like how Changi is now building a new terminal while keeping up the pace with its existing terminals with better amenities?

[NTprime]

Originally Posted by fieldsofdreams

that has been my concern: why does it really take a private firm or company to build such important projects as building an airport if the government could work with them as a PPP? Rather than letting PAL doing it alone, should the government provide needed expertise as well to fast track airport construction, just like how Changi is now building a new terminal while keeping up the pace with its existing terminals with better amenities?

Simple answer. Money. Cost. Economies of scale. The private sector can do it more efficiently than government (unless your government is Singapore). This holds true for most governments around the world - because government projects have budgets that tend to inflate the real cost and timeframe completion, unlike private corporations that will seek to deliver in the fastest possible time, at the best cost (note best doesn't always mean lowest).

Also, the government doesn't have the expertise in running mega-airports. If they did, then we would have not even lost Category 1 status. Or even if we did lose it, we would have regained it within a year, not hoping like what is still happening to this day.

I hope the new DOTC secretary Jun Abaya can change the tide of things. He has an enormous task ahead of him, considering the budget for the airports is miniscule.

[fieldsofdreams]

So those are the reasons why... is it then possible for the government to become more efficient than it is today? I understand that the private sector can do it better and faster indeed, especially with a revitalized PAL. However, I still have doubts if PAL can truly sustain its rapid growth again from a tumultuous past wherein it racked huge amounts of debt from the government... let alone keep up with other airlines who have already outpaced PAL to begin with.

I think that PAL's investment in a mega-airport would be a huge risk for the company, but if it's done right, it will hopefully bring in huge ROIs. I just can't stand the government's inefficiencies that caused the country to be in Category 2 and EU airlines ban to begin with. Yes, DOTC Secretary Abaya has a monumental task, but hopefully, people like Mr. Ang and Mr. Gokongwei will finally help him succeed in his mission to bring back the PH aviation sector on solid footing again.

[seabeeman]

A big terminal. Hindi yung gagawa ng maliit then magdadagdag na lang.

[fieldsofdreams]

Originally Posted by seabeeman

A big terminal. Hindi yung gagawa ng maliit then magdadagdag na lang.

Bakit naman malaking terminal instead of multiple terminals built at the same time? I mean, an airport is meant to be built to serve thousands of passengers per day, and that terminals are to be built depending on demand. Why can't we model airport building like Singapore... Right now, while their airport is not yet at full capacity, they are building a fourth terminal to replace their LCC terminal.

[seabeeman]

Originally Posted by fieldsofdreams

Bakit naman malaking terminal instead of multiple terminals built at the same time? I mean, an airport is meant to be built to serve thousands of passengers per day, and that terminals are to be built depending on demand. Why can't we model airport building like Singapore... Right now, while their airport is not yet at full capacity, they are building a fourth terminal to replace their LCC terminal.

Let's say may budget ang government to build a big terminal to house domestic and international. Mas mabuti kung ganun kaysa paunti-unti hanggang makurakot na naman ang pera at magtiis na naman sa maliit na terminal. Alam mo naman ang government natin, pag nagpaplano hindi iniisip ang future. Yang T3 nga, ilang years na tayong naghihintay.

[rockyg]

Originally Posted by seabeeman

A big terminal. Hindi yung gagawa ng maliit then magdadagdag na lang.

tama....maliliit na hirap ang pasahero sa pag transfer tulad ng nasa NAIA ngayon. pwede rin maliit na bago pero may space for future expansion...di hiwahiwalay

[fieldsofdreams]

Originally Posted by seabeeman

Let's say may budget ang government to build a big terminal to house domestic and international. Mas mabuti kung ganun kaysa paunti-unti hanggang makurakot na naman ang pera at magtiis na naman sa maliit na terminal. Alam mo naman ang government natin, pag nagpaplano hindi iniisip ang future. Yang T3 nga, ilang years na tayong naghihintay.

Tama ka rin... Tama ka rin. But, how will you separate domestic and international passengers when a combined terminal set-up is deployed? Like half the terminal will have enclosed walkways to and from the immigration gates? That reminds me of how SFO's International Terminal is set up as well: some domestic flights indeed depart and arrive from the international terminal, but I don't know how the domestic passengers are segregated from international passengers.

[Transporter89]

Big Terminal para wala na gastos. Tapos!

[fieldsofdreams]

Originally Posted by Transporter89

Big Terminal para wala na gastos. Tapos!

Sige na nga. Question: paano mo ihihiwalay ang mga domestic and international passengers, lalo na ang potential ay gagamit ng pare-parehong gates?

[wolfdgreat]

Originally Posted by fieldsofdreams

Tama ka rin... Tama ka rin. But, how will you separate domestic and international passengers when a combined terminal set-up is deployed? Like half the terminal will have enclosed walkways to and from the immigration gates? That reminds me of how SFO's International Terminal is set up as well: some domestic flights indeed depart and arrive from the international terminal, but I don't know how the domestic passengers are segregated from international passengers.

just check how airlines are doing it in T3.

[fieldsofdreams]

Originally Posted by wolfdgreat

just check how airlines are doing it in T3.

Honestly, I have not gone through Terminal 3 yet. Explain how it works.

[Aerolineas]

Originally Posted by fieldsofdreams

Sige na nga. Question: paano mo ihihiwalay ang mga domestic and international passengers, lalo na ang potential ay gagamit ng pare-parehong gates?

Punta ka sa KALIBO INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT expert dyan sila to accommodate 30++ International Flights.