MISC | What's your vision for a future airport?

[perry.blanco]

Dapat connected ang mga terminals para wala nang problema sa transfer katulad sa NAIA ngayon.

[fieldsofdreams]

Originally Posted by Aerolineas

Punta ka sa KALIBO INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT expert dyan sila to accommodate 30++ International Flights.

Ganun ba? Ang problema: kung iisa ang terminal, at malaki, papaano mo iso-sort out ang domestic and international passengers? Nasanay kasi ako sa segregated terminals for departing and arriving international passengers... And once for domestic passengers only.

[seabeeman]

Originally Posted by fieldsofdreams

Tama ka rin... Tama ka rin. But, how will you separate domestic and international passengers when a combined terminal set-up is deployed? Like half the terminal will have enclosed walkways to and from the immigration gates? That reminds me of how SFO's International Terminal is set up as well: some domestic flights indeed depart and arrive from the international terminal, but I don't know how the domestic passengers are segregated from international passengers.

Sa Suvarnabhumi yata magkasama na ang domestic at international. Nung lumipad ako from NRT to BKK, sa BKK na rin ako sumakay papuntang Chiang Mai. May ibang airlines lang na nasa Don Mueng pa at hindi lumipat sa BKK.

[seabeeman]

Originally Posted by fieldsofdreams

Bakit naman malaking terminal instead of multiple terminals built at the same time? I mean, an airport is meant to be built to serve thousands of passengers per day, and that terminals are to be built depending on demand. Why can't we model airport building like Singapore... Right now, while their airport is not yet at full capacity, they are building a fourth terminal to replace their LCC terminal.

Kung government ba natin gaya ng Singapore, okay lang. "Bahala na" attitude ang government natin eh.

[fieldsofdreams]

Originally Posted by seabeeman

Kung government ba natin gaya ng Singapore, okay lang. "Bahala na" attitude ang government natin eh.

Mahirap kaya ang ganyang attitude, lalo na hindi iyan conducive to inviting foreign investments to the country. Plus, hindi ganyan ang attitude ng mga businessmen; dapat na talaga yang baguhin.

[philippinearena]

Originally Posted by Aerolineas

What made Bulacan Airport advantage and futuristic purposes is accessible to Manila Bay that RORO and Maritime access is IMPORTANT, CONVENIENT and alternative route to BYPASS MEGA MANILA for us VISDAKZ or Southern Tagalog. I like this Flood is not issue as long as proper infrastructure is in place if Holland/Netherlands can survived why can't this Area and expansions etc... looks ok. Approved

Tama

[fieldsofdreams]

Originally Posted by philippinearena

Tama

Questions: how will that airport survive an earthquake, especially it happens quite a lot too? And as an aside: am I allowed to extend this question well beyond the 1,000-reply count because one of my admin friends told me that there is no need to "archive" old threads and start anew when this thread reaches such threshold?

[philippinearena]

Originally Posted by fieldsofdreams

that has been my concern: why does it really take a private firm or company to build such important projects as building an airport if the government could work with them as a PPP? Rather than letting PAL doing it alone, should the government provide needed expertise as well to fast track airport construction, just like how Changi is now building a new terminal while keeping up the pace with its existing terminals with better amenities?

Diba majority yata ng San Miguel ay pag-aari ng Cojuangco? Halos lahat ng major project ngayon na gagawin up to 2016 ay proj. ng San Miguel. Kalakaran na kasi sa Pilipinas na kung sino nakaupo ay pabor sa mga kaalyado at kamag-anak ang anoman.

Mejo may malisya lang ako konti sa mga pangyayari Wala sanang magalit sa akin.


Anyway back to topic

[philippinearena]

Originally Posted by fieldsofdreams

Questions: how will that airport survive an earthquake, especially it happens quite a lot too? And as an aside: am I allowed to extend this question well beyond the 1,000-reply count because one of my admin friends told me that there is no need to "archive" old threads and start anew when this thread reaches such threshold?

Mas expert sigurong sumagot ang iba dito kaysa sa akin

[fieldsofdreams]

Originally Posted by philippinearena

Mas expert sigurong sumagot ang iba dito kaysa sa akin

Thanks, pare. Just wondering.

Moving on: how many check-in counters would you like to see at the new airport? Plus how many immigration counters you'd like to have?

[NTprime]

Originally Posted by fieldsofdreams

Questions: how will that airport survive an earthquake, especially it happens quite a lot too? And as an aside: am I allowed to extend this question well beyond the 1,000-reply count because one of my admin friends told me that there is no need to "archive" old threads and start anew when this thread reaches such threshold?

Airports are the least likely among major buildings to suffer significant damage in an earthquake because they are not as high as the other skyscrapers and they rest on a wide foundation. However, if that foundation is not bedrock, or if they built on marshes, fishponds, etc. the risk of the whole complex sinking by a few cm. each year (e.g. Suvarnabhumi) is also dangerous.

What most structures should be capable of is surviving a 7 and above earthquake (Richter scale). It is likely that the tarmac and the runway may crack under such a temblor, but loss of life would be minimal. As to how fast operations can get back on track with an airport, I am not aware of any recent earthquakes that have sidelined airports for days, even weeks. With proper engineering, one can reclaim land from the sea or build artificial islands for the airport complex. So reclaiming from marshes or fishponds shouldn't be much of a challenge, given proper engineering and funding.

[fieldsofdreams]

Originally Posted by NTprime

Airports are the least likely among major buildings to suffer significant damage in an earthquake because they are not as high as the other skyscrapers and they rest on a wide foundation. However, if that foundation is not bedrock, or if they built on marshes, fishponds, etc. the risk of the whole complex sinking by a few cm. each year (e.g. Suvarnabhumi) is also dangerous.

What most structures should be capable of is surviving a 7 and above earthquake (Richter scale). It is likely that the tarmac and the runway may crack under such a temblor, but loss of life would be minimal. As to how fast operations can get back on track with an airport, I am not aware of any recent earthquakes that have sidelined airports for days, even weeks. With proper engineering, one can reclaim land from the sea or build artificial islands for the airport complex. So reclaiming from marshes or fishponds shouldn't be much of a challenge, given proper engineering and funding.

I hope that with the "new" airport, proper funding would be made to properly engineer the needed reclamation area to build the new airport. Even though it may be very expensive, if it ends up to be strong and sturdy, I would be happy to fly into that airport. I am just very concerned about the land area sinking over time because it isn't built under bedrock...

[fieldsofdreams]

So I've seen this airport terminal reinvestment in New York City for Delta's Terminal 4. What if our airports, especially MNL, can invest in something like this, complete with rendering and designs:

[rockyg]

Originally Posted by fieldsofdreams

Ganun ba? Ang problema: kung iisa ang terminal, at malaki, papaano mo iso-sort out ang domestic and international passengers? Nasanay kasi ako sa segregated terminals for departing and arriving international passengers... And once for domestic passengers only.

sa suvarnabhumi iisa ang terminal magkaiba lang ang concourse ng domestic at international. (left at right wing) pero pwede ka lumipat o tumambay sa magkabila. international flight kami pero doon kami namamahinga sa domestic concourse at pwede ka humiga o matulog.
sa terminal 3 ng NAIA ay both int'l at domestic din..me signages lang na "domestic at int'l"

[fieldsofdreams]

Ah... So may partition din pala ang Domestic and International. Magkatabi rin ba ang domestic and international flights, or hiwalay din? Kasi dito sa US, it is possible na dumating ang isang domestic flight at mag-park sa international terminal... Yet its passengers still manage to leave the airport as a domestic service.

[rockyg]

Originally Posted by fieldsofdreams

Thanks, pare. Just wondering.

Moving on: how many check-in counters would you like to see at the new airport? Plus how many immigration counters you'd like to have?

check-in counters are proportioned on projected passengers at airlines. kaya nga me feasibility studies ang mga projects...lalo na sa ganyang kalaking project...di tayo pwede na basta lang magsabi kung ilan at wala naman tayo basehan pa.

[fieldsofdreams]

Originally Posted by rockyg

check-in counters are proportioned on projected passengers at airlines. kaya nga me feasibility studies ang mga projects...lalo na sa ganyang kalaking project...di tayo pwede na basta lang magsabi kung ilan at wala naman tayo basehan pa.

Tama ka. Sometimes, a good estimate would work based on future passenger projections. Like for example, here in San Francisco, there are 12 rows of check-in counters in the International Terminal, with a total of 168 check-in counters (not to mention several self-check counters), designed to carry 5,000 passengers per hour. Here are the details:

http://www.flysfo.com/web/export/sit...Fact_Sheet.pdf

I think either NAIA, CRK, or the new airport could use that as a model... Or is it hard to attain?

[NTprime]

Originally Posted by fieldsofdreams

I hope that with the "new" airport, proper funding would be made to properly engineer the needed reclamation area to build the new airport. Even though it may be very expensive, if it ends up to be strong and sturdy, I would be happy to fly into that airport. I am just very concerned about the land area sinking over time because it isn't built under bedrock...

If this is private sector driven, I am sure they will take that into consideration especially if other conglomerates are involved. They have good examples (e.g. Suvarnabhumi) to learn from and avoid such mistakes.

What is interesting is that Ramon Ang already called out a price estimate for the new airport: 5-6 billion dollars. It is up to their project teams to ensure that they are on budget and within schedule, otherwise those failures will hurt the bottom line for sure.

[rockyg]

Originally Posted by NTprime

If this is private sector driven, I am sure they will take that into consideration especially if other conglomerates are involved. They have good examples (e.g. Suvarnabhumi) to learn from and avoid such mistakes.

What is interesting is that Ramon Ang already called out a price estimate for the new airport: 5-6 billion dollars. It is up to their project teams to ensure that they are on budget and within schedule, otherwise those failures will hurt the bottom line for sure.

Isa pala sa napansin ko sa Suvarnabhumi terminal ay ang finish ng mga exposed concrete. Wala syang pintura pero napakakinis. Exposed lang din ang mga piping at electrical ducts/cabletrays at wala sya kisame pero maganda tingnan. Halatang tinipid pero maganda tingnan at me quality talaga.
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[seabeeman]

Napapangitan pa rin ako sa airport na yan. Exterior maganda. At saka bumawi na lang sila sa mga gardens at Thai decorations sa loob. Mukha pa ring Hindi natapos.