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Old April 28th, 2013, 11:20 AM   #1041
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Nope. Sorry. Just taste; and there's no accounting for taste, lest we wouldn't have Britney Spears or Gina Lollobrigida .
Your position is acceptable but elitist. Even if everyone had the same insights and studied the virtues of historic art and architecture, personal taste is still a valid expression. Recall Louis Sullivan decried the architecture of Daniel Burnham, particularly his 1893 World's Fair.

The poster did not suggest that all Italian villages were monochomatic, he simply said those that were are uninteresting to his taste.

Comparisons are in the eyes of the beholder. That said, what on earth does "moron matching" mean in the context of your anger? One could, if one would, compare such a comment to those made by semi-lucid politicians.
You can express an opinion if you show that you know what you are talking about. That person had no idea what he was talking about, and he eventually apologised. Comparing, without any clue, historical villages to brasilian favelas is not a matter of "taste", it is just an idiotic remark. It's like going to an impressionist museum and say: "I can paint better than Monet, this picture looks like it was painted by a 5-year-old"

Secondly, your point was indeed that most italian villages were monochrome, and this is just not true. You said:

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Marble's point about the monochromatic schemes of many Italian villages is well taken and in actuality true.
Finally, we are in a forum of architecture and I expect everyone to know the italian Renaissance. You really think that a city like Urbino would look better if it was more coloured? Urbino is the peak of centuries of civilisation combined with local building tradition.
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Old April 28th, 2013, 06:25 PM   #1042
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Nope. Sorry. Just taste; and there's no accounting for taste, lest we wouldn't have Britney Spears or Gina Lollobrigida .
Your position is acceptable but elitist.
There's not one single right approach to matters of taste -all else being wrong or unworthy- but on the other hand I strongly disagree that everything goes whatever the taste.

IF some Europeans villages are monochromatic, one may not like them best, but it might be interesting to understand why: because people wanted to for matters of taste -like it or not- not because they had no money to dye it all.

Isn't a man's suit monochrome and dark-hued too?

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The poster did not suggest that all Italian villages were monochomatic, ...
He did instead, assuming there is such thing as the essence of a typical Italian village, whereas the loads of pics show on the other hand the extreme variety of Italian popular architecture.
I second FAK that no other European country enjoys such variety ranging from German-like alpine villages to Arab-like whitewashed clusters of houses upon the shore.

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Comparisons are in the eyes of the beholder. That said, what on earth does "moron matching" mean in the context of your anger? One could, if one would, compare such a comment to those made by semi-lucid politicians.
Thanks for your unrequested psychological consult, you must be brilliant in detecting states of mind from sheer words. I'd love I could do the same, but I won't dare to. I'd more probably be deemed a charlatan, just the way as I deem the ones so doing.

To me, a city outlook that -according to civic decrees and authoritative rules of centuries before- MUST look like a singular artwork despite being constructed and added in several different times in order to preserve unity is quite different from the ruleless overnight emergence of clusters of poors' homes in troubled hamlets.

Let's consider Noto, with its yellowish stone and elaborate ornamentation making building glow under the sunshine of Sicily. Here colour would be pointless.


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Besides - favelas are colourful.
Even too much.
Maybe the random disposition of colours and the lack of planning may let them appear brownish at a first glimpse.
Which is the evidence that dying everything is not the solution.

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Old April 28th, 2013, 07:17 PM   #1043
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You can express an opinion if you show that you know what you are talking about. .
Left wing propagandists may agree with you on this one. In the free and open-thinking society from which I come, such a point is absurd. In business matters, it's true that opinions must be justified by facts and data that are generally indisputable, but on matters of art and beauty and impressions on the mind, one cannot dictate likeability. All you should have done is state your disagreement, not your self-righteous superiority and personal attack.
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Old April 28th, 2013, 07:47 PM   #1044
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There's not one single right approach to matters of taste -all else being wrong or unworthy- but on the other hand I strongly disagree that everything goes whatever the taste.

IF some Europeans villages are monochromatic, one may not like them best, but it might be interesting to understand why: because people wanted to for matters of taste -like it or not- not because they had no money to dye it all.

Isn't a man's suit monochrome and dark-hued too?

Yes, but some, even designers, prefer a sports jacket and colorful slacks and wild socks. My argument is about the heavy-handed attitude that visual taste preferences are, apparently to you and a few others, unworthy of having....much less stating. I disagree.

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Thanks for your unrequested psychological consult, you must be brilliant in detecting states of mind from sheer words. I'd love I could do the same, but I won't dare to. I'd more probably be deemed a charlatan, just the way as I deem the ones so doing.
What was unrequested was the "moron" commentary put forth...and that's a state of mind/ability that you apparently assessed from sheer words. Obviously you not only dared to do so, but did so. Therefore, you might reconsider who is the charlatan. That said, have a great day and look forward to enjoying your less demeaning posts.
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Old April 28th, 2013, 08:23 PM   #1045
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well, that favelas comparison was malicious, maybe even trollish, though there's no need for such a butt hurt, just let it go . this time it's a too few colours thing next time it will be too much chitarra and mandolino. there will be always somebody dissatisfied, don't get it emotionally.

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In the free and open-thinking society from which I come, such a point is absurd.
such open-thinking society without any qualitative criteria to distinguish knowledge from bollocks leads to creationism teached in schools or to parents that choose prayer over treatment for they ill children. we probably have opposite opinions about what an absurd is. there's a huge difference between expressing a personal point of view (no matter how much wrong) and considering a qualified opinion and a naif comment equally significant.

i saw that favelas comment and i let it go because i don't care that a guy on the internetz dislikes italian villages. thought i don't understand your crusade for elevate a silly internet comment as a highest expression of personal freedom. instead of bombastic open-thinking society claims just use a bit of common sense, you are abusing of personal taste argumentation to justify just an "unfortunate" post.
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Old April 28th, 2013, 09:19 PM   #1046
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Yes, but some, even designers, prefer a sports jacket and colorful slacks and wild socks. My argument is about the heavy-handed attitude that visual taste preferences are, apparently to you and a few others, unworthy of having....much less stating. I disagree.
Blah blah.

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What was unrequested was the "moron" commentary put forth...and that's a state of mind/ability that you apparently assessed from sheer words. Obviously you not only dared to do so, but did so. Therefore, you might reconsider who is the charlatan. That said, have a great day and look forward to enjoying your less demeaning posts.
To put it bluntly.

Moronity is about sentence or about people.

To make a moron statement doesn't absolutely imply the utterer is a moron guy. Does it - in your opinion?

Guessing unpleasant mental states from words and giving moral patents is something I leave to moron guys.
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Old April 29th, 2013, 03:11 AM   #1047
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Guessing unpleasant mental states from words and giving moral patents is something I leave to moron guys.
You're projecting again, speaking of mental states.
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Old April 29th, 2013, 04:44 AM   #1048
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WTF? Probably we are in the most popular site of architecture and the question here is Italian villages seeming Brazilian's favelas? My my, it's my bedtime already.
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Old April 29th, 2013, 09:50 AM   #1049
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The most annoying idea to me is the one of dividing european villages by nation. European villages are so various!

Silano, post some amazing pics as usual and save the thread
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Old April 29th, 2013, 12:02 PM   #1050
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a " monochromatic " village in central spain ( the colour of its land , in my opinion )
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now a painted slum http://edition.cnn.com/video/world/2...nn.576x324.jpg
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The most annoying idea to me is the one of dividing european villages by nation. European villages are so various!

Silano, post some amazing pics as usual and save the thread
OK Fab, from now I'll have come on too strong!
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Old April 29th, 2013, 05:07 PM   #1053
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Glorenza, Italy - a piece of Germany in South Tyrol

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Cornello dei Tasso, Italy - a stone village in Lombard Alps

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Colorful seaside town of Santa Margherita Ligure, Italy

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A village I would like to visit.




That's a lot of potato's.
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It's funny because as I write, I am drinking vodka with tonic.

But no, I don't get crazy drunk. I want to keep my health.
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Real poles don't mix wodka with soda
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