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Old September 26th, 2013, 05:09 AM   #141
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haha nope, this is right beside the CN tower.

Billy Bishop's flight path goes east-west, this is north-east of the airport so it isn't in the flighpath.
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Old October 19th, 2013, 07:20 AM   #142
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Apparently there will be movement on this in February. An SSC member mentioned that there's good news and some bad news so we'll just have to wait. I'm hoping the main 2 towers remain unchanged and the rail decking is still a go.
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Old October 19th, 2013, 10:43 AM   #143
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Looks like this building in Seoul (right) - Yongsan Project.



It is very nice planning to built a tower.......
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Old October 19th, 2013, 12:50 PM   #144
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Apparently there will be movement on this in February. An SSC member mentioned that there's good news and some bad news so we'll just have to wait. I'm hoping the main 2 towers remain unchanged and the rail decking is still a go.
They could add another supertall. A skinny one (not like the huge ones we're already [probably] getting), west of the two twins. (maybe at the far west end of the lot) 350m perhaps?
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Old March 12th, 2014, 04:38 AM   #145
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Looks like this proposal is back on the table. I suspect we might lose one of the two hotel towers as this won't be a tourism magnet with the casino component gone. Fosters is apparently still on board with the office towers and I'm hoping the rail decking/park is happening as well.

Good news, but we'll have to wait for more details.
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This would be amazing with the gehry one too!
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Old May 31st, 2014, 08:24 AM   #147
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You have to wonder how long Toronto can go without building a super tall. We'd much rather build lots of 200m+ buildings than something 300m+, but you reach a tipping point eventually. I've always suspected that when that time came, we wouldn't see 1 super tall but a slew of them. Perhaps we're at that point now.

Gehry would give us our first, this Foster design would give us 2 more. I suspect many more will get proposed over the next year or 2.
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You have to wonder how long Toronto can go without building a super tall. We'd much rather build lots of 200m+ buildings than something 300m+, but you reach a tipping point eventually. I've always suspected that when that time came, we wouldn't see 1 super tall but a slew of them. Perhaps we're at that point now.

Gehry would give us our first, this Foster design would give us 2 more. I suspect many more will get proposed over the next year or 2.
I expect our slew of supertall proposals to come during the next cycle. Off the top of my head, the other lots that seem ripe for supertall proposals are 60 Harbour, 45 Bay, the World's Biggest Bookstore site and 1 Bloor West.
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Old May 31st, 2014, 05:12 PM   #149
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Do you think the normal cycles apply this time around? In 2010 I still assumed we were witnessing a typical building cycle where supply ramps up to meet pent up demand. As it wore on I increasingly believe that there's more to it than that.

It may have started as a normal uptick, but many new factors are at play and this might be the new normal. The Green Belt, the encouragement of intensification, and a cultural shift to downtown living might point to 2013 being what we should expect every year. We might not see a down turn, but simply continued growth at the current pace for many years to come. Let's not forget we're in year 8 of this building boom. That's not normal.

Besides the lots you've mentioned for possible super talls, I like that parking lot south of the Chestnut Hotel. There are rumours that they'll build a new law court there though.
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Do you think the normal cycles apply this time around? In 2010 I still assumed we were witnessing a typical building cycle where supply ramps up to meet pent up demand. As it wore on I increasingly believe that there's more to it than that.

It may have started as a normal uptick, but many new factors are at play and this might be the new normal. The Green Belt, the encouragement of intensification, and a cultural shift to downtown living might point to 2013 being what we should expect every year. We might not see a down turn, but simply continued growth at the current pace for many years to come. Let's not forget we're in year 8 of this building boom. That's not normal.

Besides the lots you've mentioned for possible super talls, I like that parking lot south of the Chestnut Hotel. There are rumours that they'll build a new law court there though.
This boom will continue for the foreseeable future due to:
1 - Canada's Financial Sector being stable for foreign investors to invest their money in safe bets such as Condominiums.
2 - Large number of immigrants choosing to settle in Toronto which causes House Prices to go up.
3 - Terrible congestion which forces people to live closer to where they work and thus Condos.

So all three factors are feeding off each other which will cause this boom to continue for the foreseeable future.
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This boom will continue for the foreseeable future due to:
1 - Canada's Financial Sector being stable for foreign investors to invest their money in safe bets such as Condominiums.
2 - Large number of immigrants choosing to settle in Toronto which causes House Prices to go up.
3 - Terrible congestion which forces people to live closer to where they work and thus Condos.

So all three factors are feeding off each other which will cause this boom to continue for the foreseeable future.
The Greenbelt is a big factor too, though that will change if the PC's get elected.
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Old June 2nd, 2014, 09:42 AM   #152
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There's also something to be said for Toronto growing into its role as the nation's principal city. Passing Montreal in population 35 years ago meant Toronto was largest, but it takes many many decades to build the city up to fulfill that role.

Toronto started benefiting fully from its new found position about 10 years ago with investments in the public realm, museums, galleries, etc. Toronto is still in a frenzied transformative period that will likely last another 20-30 years. When the dust finally settles in 2040, we'll get a glimpse at what to expect. Canada is building its NYC, for lack of a better analogy. That takes time.
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When the dust finally settles in 2040, we'll get a glimpse at what to expect. Canada is building its NYC, for lack of a better analogy. That takes time.
It will be waaayyy better if we (Toronto) take our time, timing is already perfect... Taking the opposite route of Dubai

Then there is Vancouver we will be shining excessively around that time too, like at least a dozen of state of the art earthquake friendly supertalls
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Old June 3rd, 2014, 03:38 AM   #154
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The real reason for Toronto's growth and why its "boom" never seems to end is Places to Grow and the Greenbelt which is designed to curtail sprawl. Previous to 2006, the vast majority of new housing construction consisted of suburban expansion of subdivisions. 65% of new housing construction was single family homes, and only 35% multifamily= (condos, apartments). This number has since reversed itself, with 65% of the market being multi family.

It also comes down to that if someone is going to buy a condo, they want to be downtown. Thus the huge boom in downtown population and skyscrapers with seemingly no end in demand for units. Toronto (the municipality) struggled to gain population for the final 2 decades of the 20th century when the vast majority of the growth in the region occurred in the suburbs. People sort of got used to the slow pace of growth downtown compared to the constant rapid expansion of the GTA, and now when they see that growth being shifted downtown, they start to freak out.

90,000 people move to the Toronto region annually. roughly 30,000 of those are moving to the actual municipality, with most growth in the municipality occurring downtown. The population of downtown is expected to double by 2021 compared to 2006 levels. (roughly 150,000 people to 300,000)
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It will be waaayyy better if we (Toronto) take our time, timing is already perfect... Taking the opposite route of Dubai

Then there is Vancouver we will be shining excessively around that time too, like at least a dozen of state of the art earthquake friendly supertalls
Toronto will never, ever be "waaayyy better" than the world capital, in terms of skyline or anything else, to be quite frank.
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He didn't say it would be way better than NY, he said it would be way better than rushing into bad designs. So confrontational about a post you didn't even understand, and you wonder why you are so unpopular with so many around here.
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Well, now that we have had such "frankness", perhaps it is wisest that we get back on topic, and leave the City vs City behind.

Agreed? Good. Thank you.
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Toronto will never, ever be "waaayyy better" than the world capital, in terms of skyline or anything else, to be quite frank.
Perhaps you should actually read what he said. No mention of any world capital was made, only that Toronto should take a slow and steady approach. And there is no such thing as a world capital.
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^ Lowkey Lion has had a bunch of alternate accounts, probably best to ignore him. He trolls Chicago and Toronto threads from what I've seen
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Toronto needs a 400m tower. A supertall is when the downtown is less dense and surrounding buildings are shorter. But a 326m tower is not going to stick out in Toronto downtown. A 450m+ building would be a nice landmark, Toronto skyline is needs another landmark other than CN Tower
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