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Old October 13th, 2012, 06:18 PM   #1
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Shrunk stadiums

Most (if not always) when a stadium is renewed is to make it bigger: the city has grown, the club is succesful and they want to hold more people.

Do you know the opossite cases? A stadium was too big for its use and a plan was set to tear down some structures/tiers. Or similar plans with today too big stadiums to create better atmosphere, cutting cost of structure maintenance...

I know the case os ANZ Stadium in Sydney, and the future plans in Olympic Stadium in London. They're also special cases, for the stadiums were designed with removal of some tiers in mind after the main event of their construction (Olympic Games).
ANZ Stadium 2000 (110000):

ANZ Stadium 2011 (82500 oval-84000 rectangular, in the photo oval configuration):


Do you know cases in wich the "shrinkage" came after many years and it was no conceived at the time of the construction of the stadium/arena?
Also can be interesting a renovation wich causes a great reduction in the capacity (not 2000 less seats in a 50000 stadium, but something like losing half the capacity, etc...)

P.D.: i don't know if the word "shrunk" is the best for the title. If you have a better alternative, please let me know.
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Old October 13th, 2012, 06:29 PM   #2
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The Olympic stadium in Atlanta is a good example. It was converted into a baseball stadium immediately after the games.



This was always part of the plans, which is why this stadium was the most as asymmetric Olympic stadium in history.

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Old October 13th, 2012, 08:40 PM   #3
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The Olympic Stadum in Atlanta is not a good example. It was always planned to be reduced. The OP is asking for stadiums built at one permanant capacity and reduced in size some time later, maybe because the original stadium was built too optimistically big, or becsause interest in the team waned or whatever.
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Old October 13th, 2012, 09:02 PM   #4
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A lot of stadiums have lost capacity from changing from benches to seats.

Arrowhead/Kauffman Stadiums each lost about 2,000 seats during the 2009 $600 million renovations.

Thompson–Boling Arena shrank from 24,535 to 21,678 in its 2007 renovation.

Rice Stadium has reduced their capacity by a lot from 70,000 to 47,000 but I'm not sure if they removed any seats or have just tarped over them.

Legion Field Birmingham has gone from 83,091 to 71,594, they removed an upper deck that was structurally unsound, and the home team is always under 50% capacity so it needs to be shrank even more.
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Old October 14th, 2012, 12:14 AM   #5
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Soldier Field in Chicago is my worst example of this. From the pics below you can see that the new stadium is entirely within the bowl of the old stadium.

Went from 67,000...



to 62,000 basically to add in far more suites...

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Old October 14th, 2012, 02:49 AM   #6
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Parken Stadium in Copenhagen went from around 42.000 to 38.065 in the latest renovation, like other stadiums more corporate facilities are to blame.
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Old October 14th, 2012, 02:58 AM   #7
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Ralph Wilson Stadium shrunk from 80,290 to 73,079 after it's first major renovation. Several rows in the lower bowl were removed to add a ring of suites, and most of the benches were replaced with wider seats in the lower bowl as well. The next renovation that will begin soon will likely replace the rest of the benches with seats (no confirmation, just a guess) further reducing capacity by a few thousand.
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Old October 14th, 2012, 03:42 AM   #8
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Fed Ex Field which is owned and used by the Washington Redskins used to be 92,000 and was shrunk to 81,000 a year ago. The owner added "party decks" but the size change was really to increase scarcity of tickets. That is the new trend in stadium design these days.
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Old October 14th, 2012, 03:58 AM   #9
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Soldier Field in Chicago is my worst example of this. From the pics below you can see that the new stadium is entirely within the bowl of the old stadium.

Went from 67,000...



to 62,000 basically to add in far more suites...



Originally Soldier Field had a capacity of 74,000+. So even the "original" version you posted was reduced from earlier.....

In fact with temporary seating the stadium could hold in the 100,000 range. The all time record for a football game at Soldier Field is 123,000+ back in 1927 for a college game. Double the current capacity.
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Old October 14th, 2012, 07:02 AM   #10
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The Olympic Stadum in Atlanta is not a good example. It was always planned to be reduced. The OP is asking for stadiums built at one permanant capacity and reduced in size some time later, maybe because the original stadium was built too optimistically big, or becsause interest in the team waned or whatever.
The OP didn't eliminate Atlanta. There are cases all over college football. Stanford Stadium reduced by about 30,000. Neyland Stadium in Tennessee reduced from about 104,000 to 100,000 to add club seats. Rice Stadium went from 70,000 to 47,000. Husky Stadium in Seattle is being reduced to about 70,000. Some of them were built for different reasons than their current purpose. Rice Stadium was built for the Super Bowl, and now hosts Rice, who is a smallish, private FBS university. Others like Neyland were more interested in club seats and suites.
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Old October 14th, 2012, 02:28 PM   #11
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is Stadio Delle Alpi to Juventus Arena considered a conversion or a new stadium in the same place?
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Old October 14th, 2012, 02:38 PM   #12
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is Stadio Delle Alpi to Juventus Arena considered a conversion or a new stadium in the same place?
it's a brand new stadium
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Old October 14th, 2012, 03:27 PM   #13
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it's a brand new stadium
so is Soldier Field, shown above
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Old October 14th, 2012, 04:26 PM   #14
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So most British football grounds that were the result of upgrading/renovation of the original stadium have suffered from a loss in attendance. This is mainly because quite a lot of grounds were originally predominantly terraced, which had a higher capacity than one seat per person. My own football team Gillingham F.C. used to have a stadium with a capacity of 25'000 or so because 3.5 sides were terracing. The ground was heavily redeveloped in the early 00's and now has a capacity of just shy of 11'000 because it's become all-seater.
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Old October 14th, 2012, 05:15 PM   #15
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Waverley Park, Melbourne Victoria (formally VFL Park) underwent a massive transformation in 2002 from a 78,000-seat sports stadium, to a seating capacity of 2,000 and a surrounding housing estate. It was never completed how the original plans proposed – a 140,000 all-seater stadium with the main grandstand circling the entire ground. For most of its history, its purpose was as a neutral venue and used by all Victorian based Victorian Football League/Australian Football League clubs. It was later replaced by Docklands Stadium, a 55,000 seat stadium near the Melbourne CBD. It is currently used as a training venue by the Hawthorn AFL team.

A downfall of Waverley Park was its location. While it’s actually located near the geographic centre of Melbourne and serviced by a major freeway, it’s a long way from the CBD and lacks public transport. The ground did however have a huge car park, although it seemed to take hours to escape it following the game. However its negatives outweighed its positives: lack of undercover seating, poor spectator facilities, minimal corporate facilities, a two-coloured video screen and the fact it was located in a rain belt meaning cold and often wet weather.
http://www.austadiums.com/stadiums/stadiums.php?id=133


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Old October 14th, 2012, 08:07 PM   #16
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Legion Field

I think a good example of this is legion field in Birmingham. It seated up 83,093 when Alabama played most of its home games there. When Alabama moved all of its home games back to campus, they tore down one of the upper decks. Now, it seats 71,594.

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Old October 14th, 2012, 09:33 PM   #17
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Leipzig had a stadium which could host up to 100000 spectators and they build a new stadium in the old bowl of the former one for the WC 2006 in Germany. To lazy to look for pictures at the moment
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Old October 14th, 2012, 11:29 PM   #18
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Maracană had a lot of games with over than 160.000 people, but when it's became all seated the capacity went down to about 83.000 =/
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Old October 14th, 2012, 11:37 PM   #19
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before - over 160.000:


after - 78 838:


after the renovations for WC 2014 - about 80.000:

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Old October 15th, 2012, 01:06 AM   #20
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Maracana was shrunk?
They just added seats and so the capacity was automatically lowered, this is available for most stadium that were built before individual seating became mainstream.

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