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Old October 30th, 2008, 06:48 AM   #1
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Xiamen BRT

10-20-2008 Xiamen, Fujian Province, China

Xiamen, English pronunciation /ˈʃjɑːmən/ or SHYAH-muhn (厦门) (Amoy, Eng., pronunciation /ˈeɪmɔɪ/ or EH-moy) is a coastal sub-provincial city in southeastern Fujian province, People's Republic of China. It looks out to the Taiwan Strait and borders Quanzhou (Chôan-chiu) to the north and Zhangzhou (Chiang-chiu) to the south.

Xiamen and the surrounding countryside are famous for being an ancestral home to overseas Chinese and one of China's earliest Special Economic Zones in the 1980s. It covers an area of 1 565 km˛ with a local population of 5 million. It was recently named China's 2nd most livable city.

Xiamen


a highway tunnel


Taxi near the port


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The city


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outside - Peony hotel


Lianban area


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Old October 30th, 2008, 06:53 AM   #2
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This looks so wrong.

Spending so much resources for a bus is such a waste.

It's never too late to convert it into a rail system, which would be so much better.

Do you have maps of the system?
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Old October 30th, 2008, 07:13 AM   #3
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Xiamen's urban population is not big enough to get approved for a light rail by central govt.

here's the map.

for details, please check here
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Old October 30th, 2008, 07:46 AM   #4
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It seems a pretty good system from the map, connecting airport, ports, railway station etc.

btw It's opened on Sep 1 2008 with 2 lines and 1 feeder (total 38km)

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Old October 30th, 2008, 08:58 AM   #5
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This looks so wrong.

Spending so much resources for a bus is such a waste.

It's never too late to convert it into a rail system, which would be so much better.

Do you have maps of the system?
I agree 100%, for a city of 5 million it should be a metro, not a busway. BRT is a good start but it really should be made so that it is easy to convert into elevated rail.

The level of infrastructure does look impressive though.
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Old October 30th, 2008, 09:26 AM   #6
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5 million is the toal pop including suburbs. the city population is hardly 3 mln and Xiamen is not considered a big city in China. maybe that's why it's not approved to build a metro system. I agree if its population grows dramatically , a metro is a better solution.
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Old October 30th, 2008, 10:28 AM   #7
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wow... three million pop city and they build a BRT...
overall it really looks nice and clean... but they should have built a metro...

how many buses are operating in that system, and how much people ride with it?
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Old October 30th, 2008, 10:44 AM   #8
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yes it sounds crazy, but there'll be 125 one-million+ pop cities in China by 2010 thanks to the urbanization, they may need to build metros in 50 cities. BRT seems an easier substitute solution for most of the cities.

I don't have the data of XM BRT passenger capacity but there are 50 buses per hour per station one-way in rush hour.
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Old October 30th, 2008, 03:32 PM   #9
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This is really huge!
It's a great idea to build the BRT in that case. and it looks like a metro transit, with the screen doors and stuff. Awesome!
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Old October 30th, 2008, 05:08 PM   #10
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looks nice, and its good to make progress. hopefully they will get a metro in the near future.
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Old October 30th, 2008, 07:12 PM   #11
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Fascinating pictures!

Can you tell me what this character is supposed to be emoting (e.g., is he shy, ashamed, scared), coz I really can't figure it out?




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Xiamen's urban population is not big enough to get approved for a light rail by central govt.
Aww, that's really too bad.




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for details, please check here
Too funny -- I hadn't heard of fare classes based on with or without air conditioning until browsing the link you're sharing.
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Old October 30th, 2008, 07:25 PM   #12
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Fascinating pictures!

Can you tell me what this character is supposed to be emoting (e.g., is he shy, ashamed, scared), coz I really can't figure it out?
above his head there a mark for child free-ride height. I guess the cartoon kid is looking up and say "can i have a free ride?"

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Aww, that's really too bad.
not so bad, normally govt will approve if there's a real requirement for metro. currently there are about 20 Chinese cities building their metro systems.

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Too funny -- I hadn't heard of fare classes based on with or without air conditioning until browsing the link you're sharing.
It's a common practice in developing countries. some old buses without A/C can be very cheap.
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Old October 30th, 2008, 09:34 PM   #13
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The Xiamen BRT is a really great solution for the city. It can easily be expanded with articulated or double-articulated buses if needed, and even to rail in the future.
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Old October 31st, 2008, 12:54 PM   #14
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Xiamen BRT is really really nice. It impress me so much

Btw, are all the lanes are elevated ?
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Old October 31st, 2008, 01:36 PM   #15
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yes it sounds crazy, but there'll be 125 one-million+ pop cities in China by 2010 thanks to the urbanization, they may need to build metros in 50 cities. BRT seems an easier substitute solution for most of the cities.

I don't have the data of XM BRT passenger capacity but there are 50 buses per hour per station one-way in rush hour.
it is also a good way to start the development of rapid transit in a dense environment without paying for all of the costs of a railway or elevated "sky train" system.

Assuming 50 passengers per bus, then:

50 passengers/bus x 50 buses/hour = 2500 passengers/hour (each direction)

This isnt a very large number for line capacity...but on a per station basis it isnt too bad.

So, how many stations are there in each line?

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Old October 31st, 2008, 06:01 PM   #16
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Btw, are all the lanes are elevated ?
they are all dedicated road, I see most are elevated from the pics;

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So, how many stations are there in each line?
Currently total 30 stations - Line 1: 20; Line 2: 8; Feeder line: 2
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Old October 31st, 2008, 09:20 PM   #17
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In this web:
http://www.whatsonxiamen.com/news_msg.php?titleid=3905


We can read this:


2) BRT 1 Interchange

BRT 1 Interchange starts from No.1 Port and ends at Wenxing Dong Rd (Qianpu), it has 17 bus stops. Its length is 18.7kms and takes about 50mins per route one way.

The assigned route is:
The No.1 Port -- Kaihe Rd Crossing -- Hubin Xi Road -- Douxi Rd -- Bailuzhou Rd -- Hubin Zhong Rd – Houdaixi -- railway station – Mingfa -- Dongpu Rd -- Jinshang Rd -- Agricultural Science Institute -- Conference & Exhibition Bei Rd -- Conference & Exhibition Nan Rd -- Wenxing Dong Rd (Qianpu).


BUT I ONLY FIND 15 STATIONS!!! Is there any error in this?


From Port to New Xiamen Station: 20 or 21 stations?
From Port to Qianpu: 17 or 15 stations?
From Airport to Xike: 9 stations

From Port to Jinshang I understand it is a shared section. (11 stations?)

Then, I think there is more than 30 stations. Can you explain this, please?

Maybe I am wrong and I have misunderstood your post...

Thank you very much for your help.
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Old October 31st, 2008, 09:24 PM   #18
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It looks nice, but weird for such a big city.

My city also has a system like this (70.000pop). The line runs from Amsterdam to Haarlem and through my city. It's very usefull, but there are already plans to have a lightrail running on it.
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Old October 31st, 2008, 09:41 PM   #19
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This looks so wrong.

Spending so much resources for a bus is such a waste.

It's never too late to convert it into a rail system, which would be so much better.

Do you have maps of the system?
How is this a waste? Its obviously cheaper than rail. It obviously will have the same speed as rail, and unlike rail, buses can run at an infinitely small headway, versus 90 seconds minimum for trains.


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Assuming 50 passengers per bus, then:

50 passengers/bus x 50 buses/hour = 2500 passengers/hour (each direction)

This isnt a very large number for line capacity...but on a per station basis it isnt too bad.
50 per bus? Seated maybe, but good BRT systems have capacity of up to 250 people per bus. The ones shown here arent that high, but they can easily be expanded to fit more people by making them double articulated.

And because headways are not a problem with buses....

250 * 60 = 15,000 per hour
Of course this would be the upper end, but thats directly comparable with heavyrail.


On top of that, I assume the buses are made in CHina, while rail vehicles would have to use extensive foreign technology.
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Old October 31st, 2008, 10:30 PM   #20
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How is this a waste? Its obviously cheaper than rail.
Cheaper is not necessarily better. Especially when the loads are high.

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It obviously will have the same speed as rail, and unlike rail, buses can run at an infinitely small headway, versus 90 seconds minimum for trains.
You've obviously never heard of bus bunching and large crowds. Keep in mind this is China, where ridership is magnitudes higher than anything in you're familiar with.

Perhaps every city should tear up their metro systems and install underground buses.




50 per bus? Seated maybe, but good BRT systems have capacity of up to 250 people per bus. The ones shown here arent that high, but they can easily be expanded to fit more people by making them double articulated.

And because headways are not a problem with buses....

250 * 60 = 15,000 per hour
Of course this would be the upper end, but thats directly comparable with heavyrail.


On top of that, I assume the buses are made in CHina, while rail vehicles would have to use extensive foreign technology.[/QUOTE]
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