Ukraine Unveils Large Jewish Center

[Gzdvtz]

DNIPROPETROVSK, Ukraine -- A large Jewish cultural center with a Holocaust museum has opened in Ukraine's eastern city of Dnipropetrovsk.

The museum, which opens to the public this weekend, is a complex of seven buildings arranged in the shape of a menorah, the traditional Jewish candleholder. Named the "Menorah Center," it houses thousands of artifacts plus a community center, hotel, kosher restaurant, and art galleries.

The museum occupies almost 3,000 square meters in the 50,000-square-meter Menorah Center.

The complex hosts an Institute for Jewish Culture In Ukraine and a gallery that features photographs of 40 major synagogues in Dnipropetrovsk before the Nazi occupation and video footage about the Holocaust.

The opening ceremony was attended by Jewish leaders from Ukraine, Russia, and other former Soviet republics, officials from Israel, and the president of the Jewish Communities of the Commonwealth of Independent States, Levi Levayev.

Yuli Edelstein, Israel's minister of public diplomacy and Diaspora affairs, praised the local authorities and the Jewish community for reviving Jewish heritage and culture in Dnipropetrovsk. He expressed hope that the new Jewish center will serve the local Jewish community, its children, and its future.

"The real achievement will be when we get here in a year from now, in two years from now, and we will see this place full of kids, full of different Jewish activities, full of different organizations working here," Edelstein said. "I think that this will be the real answer to what Nazis and communists tried to do to Jewish communities in the Ukraine and in the former Soviet Union."

​​Rabbi Levi Yitzchok Matusof of the Brussels-based European Jewish Public Affairs group was also present at the ceremony. He said that Jewish centers in Ukraine would help Jewish communities to fully integrate into European society.

"When there is a center like such in Dnipropetrovsk and also in other places in Ukraine where there are striving Jewish communities in terms of buildings and spaces," he said, "people feel that there is a place where they could come, there is someone they could talk to, there is a meal they could share, there is a place where they could send their children to learn, to be educated better, to have a proper Jewish life, and at the same time living integrated fully in the society with a European perspective."

Beth Moskowitz from Boston's Jewish Community Relation Council called the Jewish center’s opening in Dnipropetrovsk a revival of Jewish life in the city.

The article in full is here: http://www.rferl.org/content/ukraine.../24742255.html

[HappyBrandon]

Ohh...well, very nice! They killed off or chased out their Jews and now are singing the accolades to what once was a very impressive community that in reality can't be reincarnated and therefore will never again produce brilliance generated on its soil in the yeshivas and universities.

[Gzdvtz]

HappyBrandon, sod off. No, seriously, just fuck off with this bullshit.

[eklips]

Good for Ukraine. The vibrant former Yiddishland communities should be given more place in these countries.

Originally Posted by HappyBrandon

Ohh...well, very nice! They killed off or chased out their Jews and now are singing the accolades to what once was a very impressive community that in reality can't be reincarnated and therefore will never again produce brilliance generated on its soil in the yeshivas and universities.

Are you aware that your Nation, the USA was also a hotbead for antisemitism (Henry Ford was Hitler's model, jews not allowed into Harvard and so on). It is only recently with the raise of evangelical christianity (such friends of jews these people are ... ) and Israel having been made the US' lap dog in the middle east that your Nation's establishment suddenly discovered a "love" for jews.

So cut the crap, thanks gzdz for the news.

[HappyBrandon]

Originally Posted by eklips

Good for Ukraine. The vibrant former Yiddishland communities should be given more place in these countries.



Are you aware that your Nation, the USA was also a hotbead for antisemitism (Henry Ford was Hitler's model, jews not allowed into Harvard and so on). It is only recently with the raise of evangelical christianity (such friends of jews these people are ... ) and Israel having been made the US' lap dog in the middle east that your Nation's establishment suddenly discovered a "love" for jews.

So cut the crap, thanks gzdz for the news.

It is funny when a virulent anti-Semitic virus is coming to the Israeli forum to badmouth and slander the US and Israel.

One of the reasons for the existence of Israel is precisely because the US record toward the Jews was not perfect and yet, everything is relative. Comparing to France that deported the Jews to Auschwitz the American record toward the Jewish citizens and the state of Israel is good.

As for Ukraine, below is the Ukrainian past and nothing could erase it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organiz...n_Nationalists
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_in_Ukraine
http://www.hnn.us/articles/122778.html

[eklips]

Unlike you, I never defended French nationalism contrary to your wholehearted support to US and all that it stands for. You see, I do not choose to prostitute my identity for the sake of a mythical defense of the "Occident" or the "west" : indeed, it is precisely in the name of this defense of the "west" that the French state tried to slaughter my grandparents (under amongst others, American ideological influences).

Your cretinous defense of an idea and a concept (the "west") that has - since the beginning of Modernity and the Nation state - been used both to persecute jews and to justify colonialism is a testimony to a much deeper form of self-hate than whatever stupidities you accuse me of being (and who the fuck are you to call me a "virus", hiding behind your computer by the way?).

This jewish cultural center is a good step towards establishing a memory of the vibrant Yiddishland and the history of millions of jews throughout history, nobody is erasing any past. On the opposite, these kind of cultural centers help the past not to be forgotten (the history of Ukrainian Judaism). You can now go back to whatever fascist hole you crawled from instead of trolling interesting threads.

[HappyBrandon]

Originally Posted by eklips

Unlike you, I never defended French nationalism contrary to your wholehearted support to US and all that it stands for. You see, I do not choose to prostitute my identity for the sake of a mythical defense of the "Occident" or the "west" : indeed, it is precisely in the name of this defense of the "west" that the French state tried to slaughter my grandparents (under amongst others, American ideological influences).

Your cretinous defense of an idea and a concept (the "west") that has - since the beginning of Modernity and the Nation state - been used both to persecute jews and to justify colonialism is a testimony to a much deeper form of self-hate than whatever stupidities you accuse me of being (and who the fuck are you to call me a "virus", hiding behind your computer by the way?).

This jewish cultural center is a good step towards establishing a memory of the vibrant Yiddishland and the history of millions of jews throughout history, nobody is erasing any past. On the opposite, these kind of cultural centers help the past not to be forgotten (the history of Ukrainian Judaism). You can now go back to whatever fascist hole you crawled from instead of trolling interesting threads.

If anyone is prostituting his Jewish identity it is you. You are a virulent French Kapo in addition to being viral. Have you ever posted anything critical on the Syrian forum or the Egyptian forum or the Lebanese forum or any other Arab country's forum? Those who are familiar with your treachery know that your main criticism is always directed at Israel and those who support Israel? We have always had the Kapos. There is nothing unique about your kind. The Kapos get the adoration of those who hate Jews as they define them as "the good Jews". Fortunately the Kapos end up in the dustbins of history as they represent nothing more than their insidious and ugly nature.

Of course you cannot defend your country's nationalism simply because it was and as a matter of fact in its current latent form still is highly anti-Semitic and anti-Israel. Apart from the SS St. Louis tragedy America unlike France has been good to Jews. The French history and culture are intertwined with hatred of Jews. We have a scroll in our family that dates back to the 11th century France and why do you think 700 years later the entries in the scroll continued in Ukraine?

Do you still want to lecture me on Ukraine?

[eklips]

Whereas you need to invent completely random accusations, what I say about you is true : I say that you prostitute your identity to defend a mythical and colonial "west". This is not an invention, nor a cretinous reductio ad hitlerum (like you calling me a "kapo") but something based on all the little posts I have read.

Saying that there should be no jewish cultural center in the Ukraine because of the history of antisemitism in this country is as cretinous as saying that there should be no African-American cultural center in the US because of slavery, segregation and racial discrimination, that they should be no Native-American center because of the founding of your Nation on the destruction of indigenous society, or even jewish-American cultural centers because American antisemitism prevented the US from saving the jews it could have during the holocaust (one of the many facts that your anti-jewish fascist self seems to be in denial off).

It is basically cretinous.

Then you accuse me of being anti-jewish, yet you are the only one here who seems scandalized by the construction of a jewish cultural center, something that - by itself - only antisemites would consider a problem.And you go on with the "you are anti-Israel because you don't criticize anybody else" bullshit. Unlike you, my brain is actually capable of understanding complex social realities with all their nuances : I recognize the affection a lot of jews have for the concept of "the state of Israel" and the ideas of autonomy, self-defense and emancipation that they associate with it. But since I am actually a thinking human being I am able to grasp that - due to the colonial nature of this state (and an imitation of central-eastern european romantic nationalism by it's secular, assimilated bourgeois jewish founders) that - not only is it's conduct detrimental to the local indigenous populations - but it is also detrimental to jews on the long run and has transformed us into the west's ultimate colonial bastion against the "south".
Something that is maybe good for the US' military industry or France's ambitions in the middle east but not to us.

This comment is also a complete hit and miss because most of my (political) is not spent criticizing Israel, but actually criticizing "France" (among other things) and what it has done to jews, arabs, africans.... and so on. But as usual, fascists tend to make grand personal accusations without actually informing themselves on the people they attack, the point just being to try and shut people up at all costs. I'm sure you'd make a great evangelical preacher though, or maybe a nice counselor for Lockeed Martin since you seem to have these people's interest at heart. At least moreso than the historical Ukranian jewish population who's history you seem to think should rather be forgotten ...

[HappyBrandon]

Originally Posted by eklips

Whereas you need to invent completely random accusations

Show me at least one post critical of any Arab state. Can you? Why not?

Why is the democratic Jewish state of Israel is your only focus of criticism in the Middle East? If it is not anti-Semitism then what is it? It is identical to the actions of the recent Swedish/Finnish group of "humanists" sailing to Gaza to violate the Israeli blockade. It happened at the time when over 100 Arab civilians were exterminated by the current Syrian regime. Have you ever criticized Syria? Why not? Do the "humanists" even care that the standard of living in Gaza is superior to the one in Egypt and because of the Jewish Israel the average life expectancy in Gaza is longer than in rich Saudi Arabia? They, just like you, are motivated by hate of the Jewish state.

Look, you are a little insignificant virus and not a bigger virus like Noam Chomsky but you try to emulate him. The Kapos regardless where they originate from France, Ukraine or the US are prostituting their Jewish identity. Unlike many Eastern European Jews Noam Chomsky was very lucky to have parents who escaped the pale of settlement before it was decimated. Had his parents stayed on like many other Jews he could have easily ended up in Auschwitz. However, he was born in the US free of prejudice and persecution and today the old, rich man happens to be in Gaza supporting the Hamastani rulers who do not recognize the Jewish sovereign state and fire missiles at Sderot.

Saying that there should be no jewish cultural center in the Ukraine because of the history of antisemitism

That is a lie. Why don't you read what I wrote before you put your sick and twisted interpretation in my mouth?

in this country is as cretinous as saying that there should be no African-American cultural center in the US because of slavery, segregation and racial discrimination, that they should be no Native-American center because of the founding of your Nation on the destruction of indigenous society

It is obvious that anti-Semitic viruses in your form will never get the historical facts. Nobody can diminish the suffering of African Americans who were forced to come to the US as slaves. However, do you have any idea about the atrocities perpetrated against Jews on the Ukrainian soil? What do you know about the Babi Yar tragedy? Has there ever been a horrific event of that magnitude on the American soil? We are not trying to compete with the African American suffering but the crimes perpetrated against the Jews in Ukraine, Poland, Germany, Austria, etc are very unique and are in a class of their own. They are not comparable.

or even jewish-American cultural centers because American antisemitism prevented the US from saving the jews it could have during the holocaust (one of the many facts that your anti-jewish fascist self seems to be in denial off).

That was a sad American event. It was inexcusable and yet, how can anyone focus on it when France is known for its hatred of Jews for the last 1000 years.

Then you accuse me of being anti-jewish, yet you are the only one here who seems scandalized by the construction of a jewish cultural center, something that - by itself - only antisemites would consider a problem.And you go on with the "you are anti-Israel because you don't criticize anybody else" bullshit.

The creation of the Jewish Ukrainian center in the land known for its strident anti-Semitism and extermination of Jews in itself is a testimony to the Jewish survival and yet it is also very sad. It is sad because Ukraine with its incredible rabbinical schools where our sages deciphered the passages of Torah will never again be what it once was.

Unlike you, my brain is actually capable of understanding complex social realities with all their nuances : I recognize the affection a lot of jews have for the concept of "the state of Israel" and the ideas of autonomy, self-defense and emancipation that they associate with it. But since I am actually a thinking human being I am able to grasp that - due to the colonial nature of this state (and an imitation of central-eastern european romantic nationalism by it's secular, assimilated bourgeois jewish founders) that - not only is it's conduct detrimental to the local indigenous populations - but it is also detrimental to jews on the long run and has transformed us into the west's ultimate colonial bastion against the "south".

Well, thank you for revealing your true color. Your hatred of Jews and Israel is manifested above. You are saying exactly what the Palestinian Arab terrorists are saying. You are saying what the haters who want to dispose of the indigenous Jewish population are saying. There is no difference between your viral anti-Semitic kind and them, none whatsoever. Yet, you still come to the Israeli forum with your venomous accusations which you would never display in any other forum but the Israeli one. FYI and the information of all haters of the Jewish state, Israel has the right to exercise its sovereignity giving refuge to either to the Ethiopian Jews or Russian Jews if it so choses.

This comment is also a complete hit and miss because most of my (political) is not spent criticizing Israel, but actually criticizing "France" (among other things) and what it has done to jews, arabs, africans.... and so on. But as usual, fascists tend to make grand personal accusations without actually informing themselves on the people they attack, the point just being to try and shut people up at all costs. I'm sure you'd make a great evangelical preacher though, or maybe a nice counselor for Lockeed Martin since you seem to have these people's interest at heart. At least moreso than the historical Ukranian jewish population who's history you seem to think should rather be forgotten ...

Go on, dump more of your venom and garbage on Israel. Again, your viral kind does not represent any unique quality. The only reason you can continue smearing Israel on this forum is because Jews unlike those who surround them are tolerant of the viruses like you.

[Gzdvtz]

HappyBrandon, my problem with sorry cunts like you is the following: you always *ALWAYS* like to point a finger and remind people of the bad things they've done to Jews, EVEN WHEN something nice and positive such as the building of such a big Jewish centre.

You probably didn't even the article, the MO of the likes of you is "[keyword x-nation] > baww they killed Jews in great numbers". Guess what? Europe's history is marred by violence, wars and great purges, sad but unfortunately that's our history, it's good to know about it, but it's not cool to always wag a finger at the bad things other nations have done to yours.

You seem immensely butthurt about the "slander" of the USA and Israel, now I don't want to engage in a discussion about Israel's ways since its inception, but you must be really REALLY self-centred and arrogant to whine about Ukrainian killing of Jews and defend the US which has much MUCH worse history when it comes to obliterating whole populations and the horrors of slavery. It's people like you who give Jews a bad name and quite frankly your hypocrisy is an affront to the actual victims of genocide, including Jews.

Also, there is nothing "anti-Semitic" about calling a country another country's lap dog. Quite simply stop evoking the holocaust and buzzwords such as 'anti-Semitism' without a reason, it cheapens them.

Even more simply put: just STFU.

[Gzdvtz]

Originally Posted by HappyBrandon

It is obvious that anti-Semitic viruses in your form will never get the historical facts. Nobody can diminish the suffering of African Americans who were forced to come to the US as slaves. However, do you have any idea about the atrocities perpetrated against Jews on the Ukrainian soil? What do you know about the Babi Yar tragedy? Has there ever been a horrific event of that magnitude on the American soil? We are not trying to compete with the African American suffering but the crimes perpetrated against the Jews in Ukraine, Poland, Germany, Austria, etc are very unique and are in a class of their own. They are not comparable.

Utterly vile and disgusting!!! You're doing PRECISELY what you're saying you're not i.e. you're putting the suffering of people on a scale and crying how much worse the Jews had. Would an actual Jewish holocaust survivor actually do this?! Would you have the guts to say something like this at the face of a person who suffered the horrors of a nother genocide? I doubt it, so please PLEASE SHUT THE FUCK UP!

[HappyBrandon]

Originally Posted by Gzdvtz

Utterly vile and disgusting!!! You're doing PRECISELY what you're saying you're not i.e. you're putting the suffering of people on a scale and crying how much worse the Jews had. Would an actual Jewish holocaust survivor actually do this?! Would you have the guts to say something like this at the face of a person who suffered the horrors of a nother genocide? I doubt it, so please PLEASE SHUT THE FUCK UP!

Nobody is diminishing other people's tragedies. If your intelligence level does not allow you to comprehend it then perhaps you must get more education. It is the people like you who draw the moral equivalency between the innocent and the guilty. For that very reason they are sailing to Hamastan trying to break the Israeli blockade. For that very reason they are bombing the pizza parlors, kindergartens, buses and hospital justifying their vile terrorist acts.

A good portion of Ukraine was a very able and willing participant in the Nazi atrocities and the "final solution" before and also during the WW2. Here, learn something and than spew out your ugly puss:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...st_unique.html

[HappyBrandon]

Originally Posted by Gzdvtz

Also, there is nothing "anti-Semitic" about calling a country another country's lap dog. Quite simply stop evoking the holocaust and buzzwords such as 'anti-Semitism' without a reason, it cheapens them.

Even more simply put: just STFU.

It is anti-Semitic. It is very anti-Semitic because it is a lie or ignorance at best. The Romans subjugated many people along their way but they could not submit Jews. Hence, they destroyed the Jewish entities. Perhaps in your sexual S/M world you met some Jews who are playing the role of lap dogs but in the real world Jews will never act like lap dogs. Get real! It is not our upbringing and culture, pal.

[Gzdvtz]

Originally Posted by HappyBrandon

Nobody is diminishing other people's tragedies.

That's precisely what you're doing when you're saying "What do you know about the Babi Yar tragedy? Has there ever been a horrific event of that magnitude on the American soil? We are not trying to compete with the African American suffering but the crimes perpetrated against the Jews in Ukraine, Poland, Germany, Austria, etc are very unique and are in a class of their own.". Guess what? Each person's suffering is unique.

It is the people like you who draw the moral equivalency between the innocent and the guilty. For that very reason they are sailing to Hamastan trying to break the Israeli blockade. For that very reason they are bombing the pizza parlors, kindergartens, buses and hospital justifying their vile terrorist acts.

Care to quote me where I'm drawling such moral parallels between the innocent and the guilty? I see a trend in your posts in this thread: you're posting incoherent accusations against those you disagree with. It probably works to silence people in the US but not here.
Terror attacks (something Jews are guilty of too) and Hamastan are completely irrelevant to ANYTHING in this thread. It just shows you're like a broken record: hurr durr holocaust, hurr durr anti-Semitism, hurr durr terrorists... *yawn*.

Originally Posted by HappyBrandon

A good portion of Ukraine was a very able and willing participant in the Nazi atrocities and the "final solution" before and also during the WW2. Here, learn something and than spew out your ugly puss:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...st_unique.html

Let me get this straight: COMPLETELY.IRRELEVANT.TO.THE.OPENING.OF.A.GIANT.JEWISH.CULTURAL.CENTRE.IN.YEAR.2012!
Geddit? That's why I told you to sod off and spare us the bullshit. Imagine if every news coming out of the US about blacks or Indian Americans was subject to the same comments as yours? Imagine every time someone mentioning Obama on the news a forever victim smartarse like you starts screaming about the atrocities blacks suffered in the past!?? GEDDIT?!?

I wonder if the likes of you have the same reactions to news coming out of Italy, let's not forget the things the Romans did to Jews! People should *ALWAYS* be reminded of it until the world turns.

[Gzdvtz]

Originally Posted by HappyBrandon

It is anti-Semitic. It is very anti-Semitic because it is a lie or ignorance at best. The Romans subjugated many people along their way but they could not submit Jews. Hence, they destroyed the Jewish entities. Perhaps in your sexual S/M world you met some Jews who are playing the role of lap dogs but in the real world Jews will never act like lap dogs. Get real! It is not our upbringing and culture, pal.

Ahh, OK, I understand now, every claim that's disrespectful, factually wrong or otherwise demeaning of Israel is "Anti-Semitic".

Watch this and next time think twice before you decide to scream "anti-semitism"



P.S. I completely and fully agree that Israel ISN'T America's lapdog, it's the other way round, eklpis was very much wrong indeed.

[HappyBrandon]

Originally Posted by Gzdvtz

That's precisely what you're doing when you're saying "What do you know about the Babi Yar tragedy? Has there ever been a horrific event of that magnitude on the American soil? We are not trying to compete with the African American suffering but the crimes perpetrated against the Jews in Ukraine, Poland, Germany, Austria, etc are very unique and are in a class of their own.". Guess what? Each person's suffering is unique.


Care to quote me where I'm drawling such moral parallels between the innocent and the guilty? I see a trend in your posts in this thread: you're posting incoherent accusations against those you disagree with. It probably works to silence people in the US but not here.
Terror attacks (something Jews are guilty of too) and Hamastan are completely irrelevant to ANYTHING in this thread. It just shows you're like a broken record: hurr durr holocaust, hurr durr anti-Semitism, hurr durr terrorists... *yawn*.


Let me get this straight: COMPLETELY.IRRELEVANT.TO.THE.OPENING.OF.A.GIANT.JEWISH.CULTURAL.CENTRE.IN.YEAR.2012!
Geddit? That's why I told you to sod off and spare us the bullshit. Imagine if every news coming out of the US about blacks or Indian Americans was subject to the same comments as yours? Imagine every time someone mentioning Obama on the news a forever victim smartarse like you starts screaming about the atrocities blacks suffered in the past!?? GEDDIT?!?

I wonder if the likes of you have the same reactions to news coming out of Italy, let's not forget the things the Romans did to Jews! People should *ALWAYS* be reminded of it until the world turns.

Your shmaaretz mumbo jumbo bs or rather sickly diarrhea makes no sense whatsoever but then again it is unreasonable to expect anything of value from the uncultivated and malign deciples of Gideon Levi and Amira Haas. Even the Deutsche Wehrmacht understood the uniqueness of its crime. That is why any denial of it on its land is illegal. The abominable acts committed against us is not enjoyable to recall but unfortunately for us it is ingrained in our collective memory. It is factual and also very unique.

Ukraine, especially in its Central/Western part is soaked with the Jewish blood. It is a graveyard for many innocent Jewish families. Again, the opening of a Jewish center in a country where the Jewish population continues to descrease is admirable but it is only symbolic. The era of the the sages born and raised on that land like greatest rebbe Nachman representing Jewish roalty will never be restored.

Do you know what some Ukrainian olim did when they received the Beilin self-addressed envelopes regarding the Geneva Accord/Initiative? They sent the envelopes back with the used toilet tissue. Do you know why?

You are probably excited. Sorry, did not intend to turn you on.

[HappyBrandon]

Originally Posted by Gzdvtz

eklpis was very much wrong indeed.

Eklips is a Kapo/enemy. He is too far gone and a lost case. As for you, hopefully, you will get well.

[Gzdvtz]

Originally Posted by HappyBrandon

Ukraine, especially in its Central/Western part is soaked with the Jewish blood. It is a graveyard for many innocent Jewish families. Again, the opening of a Jewish center in a country where the Jewish population continues to descrease is admirable but it is only symbolic. The era of the the sages born and raised on that land like greatest rebbe Nachman representing Jewish roalty will never be restored.

I still don't understand why the atrocities that occurred in the past need to be brought up over and over again? Will there ever be a day when we can discuss present-day events in Europe without going back to what happened in the early 20th century?

Originally Posted by HappyBrandon

Do you know what some Ukrainian olim did when they received the Beilin self-addressed envelopes regarding the Geneva Accord/Initiative? They sent the envelopes back with the used toilet tissue. Do you know why?

You are probably excited. Sorry, did not intend to turn you on.

Your interest in my sexual life is amusing but unwarranted. Anyway, do tell me why they sent back their faeces.

[HappyBrandon]

Originally Posted by Gzdvtz

I still don't understand why the atrocities that occurred in the past need to be brought up over and over again? Will there ever be a day when we can discuss present-day events in Europe without going back to what happened in the early 20th century?

It is almost impossible to explain to a head louse what constitutes our neshama and the essential ingredients of our heritage, Judaism, culture, background, etc. Perhaps if you had delved into it with more thought, education and a different attitude you would have been able to grasp it. Suffice it to say that if the Europeans lost the last major war on the battlefield they did win a war against their innocent Jewish citizens. Europe is a Jewish graveyard in general and Poland, Ukraine, Austria, etc are the Jewish graveyards in particular. What was the Jewish population in Europe in 1900? What is it today? When you answer that question then it will be your partial answer as to why it is very important to look at the current events through the prism of the past.

Your interest in my sexual life is amusing but unwarranted. Anyway, do tell me why they sent back their faeces.

I will let you think about it as well. Perhaps you excite me.

P.S. There should be a Chabad not that far from you. They give classes on Jewish ethics, law, morality, etc.