PORTUGAL | Railways

Paulo2004 · November 30th, 2004, 01:42 AM

Although Portugal has begun the process of building brand new bullet-like high speed lines (TGV), the older ones have also been rebuilt with new, almost high speed trains (180km/h).

***Tubeman*** · November 30th, 2004, 01:59 AM

What are those things that look like Wing Mirrors?

Nephasto · November 30th, 2004, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tubeman

What are those things that look like Wing Mirrors?

They are what they look. :P

I have to say one thing: The top speed of those trains is 220 km/h, and they do run at that speed in some parts of the line.

Vertigo · November 30th, 2004, 10:06 PM

Some more info: the train is a tilting train. The tilting mechanism makes it able to run faster through curves. The train was derived from the Italian Pendolino, developed by the rail division of FIAT (which was later taken over by Alstom).

This family of trains is very popular with European rail operators. Here they are from various operators:

Trenitalia (Italy):

Cisalpino (rail services Italy-Switzerland-Germany):

RENFE-Alaris (Spain):

RENFE-AVE (Spain):

SZ (Slovakia):

CD (Czechia):

VR (Finland):

***Tubeman*** · December 1st, 2004, 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nephasto

They are what they look. :P

So they can do 3-point turns?

Why on Earth would a train need wing mirrors?

Vertigo · December 1st, 2004, 09:09 AM

Just a guess... in some countries the conductor or station supervisor gives a manual departure signal to the driver, by waving or holding up a sign. Perhaps those mirrors allow the driver to see it without having to get out of his seat?

December 1st, 2004, 12:45 PM

They must be there for a reason.

December 1st, 2004, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vertigo

SZ (Slovakia)

Sorry, but this is wrong.
It's Slovenia, not Slovakia.
The national railway company of Slovakia is ZSR.

Vertigo · December 1st, 2004, 10:13 PM

Sorry, you're right, I meant Slovenia. Those names are so much alike.

BTW, Slovakia also ordered Pendolino trainsets. They will be the same as the ones delivered to the Czech railways.

Paulo2004 · December 3rd, 2004, 01:03 PM

Happens to the best!!

Paulo2004 · December 17th, 2004, 04:33 AM

six new railway stations will be inaugurated next year. I'll post pics as soon as I get them.

December 29th, 2004, 01:04 AM

Many countries have opted for this model. Portugal did well I think in getting them.

Paulo2004 · January 20th, 2005, 03:01 AM

DonQui · January 20th, 2005, 03:34 AM

The Alfa pendular is being put into service between Lisbon and Porto, correct? Is this meant to be THE high speed rail link between the two cities, or will their be a standard gauge railway that will part of the high speed rail network between the two cities. In other words, is Alfa pendula in the short run (20-30 years) option being used to increase the speeds of services until a new standard gauge service connected with the Spanish and European high speed rail networks is constructed?

Nephasto · January 20th, 2005, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonQui

The Alfa pendular is being put into service between Lisbon and Porto, correct? Is this meant to be THE high speed rail link between the two cities, or will their be a standard gauge railway that will part of the high speed rail network between the two cities. In other words, is Alfa pendula in the short run (20-30 years) option being used to increase the speeds of services until a new standard gauge service connected with the Spanish and European high speed rail networks is constructed?

The Alfa pendular is on operations for some years now. It's top speed is 220km/h but it's only reached in short sections...

As for the TGV, there are plans to built a new line, but nothing concrete by now.

Paulo2004 · January 26th, 2005, 11:27 PM

Falcon83 · January 26th, 2005, 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vertigo

Some more info: the train is a tilting train. The tilting mechanism makes it able to run faster through curves. The train was derived from the Italian Pendolino, developed by the rail division of FIAT (which was later taken over by Alstom).

This family of trains is very popular with European rail operators. Here they are from various operators:

Trenitalia (Italy):

Cisalpino (rail services Italy-Switzerland-Germany):

RENFE-Alaris (Spain):

RENFE-AVE (Spain):

SZ (Slovakia):

CD (Czechia):

VR (Finland):

It's been bought by Ansaldobreda (Finmeccanica group)

Paulo2004 · March 26th, 2005, 01:26 AM

Paulo2004 · May 8th, 2005, 04:12 AM

JohnnyMass · May 8th, 2005, 04:15 AM

are these refurbished ones or are they brand new Paulo? They're very nice!

November 30th, 2004, 01:42 AM	#1
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Vertigo shinkansen Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Utrecht Posts: 2,399 Likes (Received): 19	Some more info: the train is a tilting train. The tilting mechanism makes it able to run faster through curves. The train was derived from the Italian Pendolino, developed by the rail division of FIAT (which was later taken over by Alstom). This family of trains is very popular with European rail operators. Here they are from various operators: Trenitalia (Italy): Cisalpino (rail services Italy-Switzerland-Germany): RENFE-Alaris (Spain): RENFE-AVE (Spain): SZ (Slovakia): CD (Czechia): VR (Finland): __________________ Al wat beweegt zal in beweging blijven er op en of eronder een keuze is er niet niets dat beklijft en alles zal verdwijnen je leven een vuurwerk of niets

December 1st, 2004, 09:09 AM	#6
Vertigo shinkansen Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Utrecht Posts: 2,399 Likes (Received): 19	Just a guess... in some countries the conductor or station supervisor gives a manual departure signal to the driver, by waving or holding up a sign. Perhaps those mirrors allow the driver to see it without having to get out of his seat? __________________ Al wat beweegt zal in beweging blijven er op en of eronder een keuze is er niet niets dat beklijft en alles zal verdwijnen je leven een vuurwerk of niets

December 1st, 2004, 10:13 PM	#9
Vertigo shinkansen Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Utrecht Posts: 2,399 Likes (Received): 19	Sorry, you're right, I meant Slovenia. Those names are so much alike. BTW, Slovakia also ordered Pendolino trainsets. They will be the same as the ones delivered to the Czech railways. __________________ Al wat beweegt zal in beweging blijven er op en of eronder een keuze is er niet niets dat beklijft en alles zal verdwijnen je leven een vuurwerk of niets

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DonQui BANNED Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The Free City-State of New York Posts: 6,208 Likes (Received): 0	The Alfa pendular is being put into service between Lisbon and Porto, correct? Is this meant to be THE high speed rail link between the two cities, or will their be a standard gauge railway that will part of the high speed rail network between the two cities. In other words, is Alfa pendula in the short run (20-30 years) option being used to increase the speeds of services until a new standard gauge service connected with the Spanish and European high speed rail networks is constructed?

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