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Old October 31st, 2008, 08:40 AM   #281
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wich brand are the new locomotives we are seeing above?
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Old October 31st, 2008, 11:10 AM   #282
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Siemens Eurosprinter version 5 ... They seem to be the 1st with the new crash-proof "faces" ... Portuguese state owned CP ordered 25 , ans it seems private companies are already ordering some more ... Belgian(?) SNCB seems to have ordered some more ...
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Old November 4th, 2008, 04:57 PM   #283
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how many kind of electirc locomotives are in the service in Portugal?
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Old November 6th, 2008, 01:23 AM   #284
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how many kind of electirc locomotives are in the service in Portugal?
There are 5 different kinds of electric locomotives in use in Portugal. The 6th kind of electric locomotives (Siemens Eurosprinter version 5 - pict above) will enter in service in few weeks
You can see them in http://www.cp.pt/cp/displayPage.do?vgnextoid=fe855741e9695010VgnVCM1000007b01a8c0RCRD&lang=en

We have also 8 different kinds of electric rail cars.
You can see them in http://www.cp.pt/cp/displayPage.do?vgnextoid=9b1dab3226ea4010VgnVCM1000007b01a8c0RCRD
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Old November 6th, 2008, 08:44 AM   #285
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thank you for these usefull links. They tell so much. Obviously Portugal has a nice rail system although bus transportation is dominant unlike Nederlands or Belgium.

Do you have a HSR project wich has over 250 km/h speed?
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Old November 6th, 2008, 09:32 PM   #286
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thank you for these usefull links. They tell so much. Obviously Portugal has a nice rail system although bus transportation is dominant unlike Nederlands or Belgium.

Do you have a HSR project wich has over 250 km/h speed?
The current Alfa Pendular trains have a top speed of 220 km/h. As I can read on Wikipedia, the test run speed record in Portugal is 275 km/h. The HSR of today, following the European Union definition, connects several cities from north to south Portugal.

The future HSR has 3 different top speeds.

Line Lisbon-Madrid 350 km/h
Line Lisbon-Porto 300 km/h
Line Porto-Vigo 250 km/h
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Old November 18th, 2008, 09:55 AM   #287
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do you know what kind of trains will be used for those speeds?
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Old November 19th, 2008, 12:59 AM   #288
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do you know what kind of trains will be used for those speeds?
The Portuguese media said that the new Alstom AGV will be used in our HSL network. Siemens's Velaro trains are also an option.

The AGV is an Alstom train intended as the successor to France’s TGV high-speed trains (by wikipedia)
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Old November 20th, 2008, 08:05 AM   #289
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Don't forguet that current railways are also renewed to speeds of 220/250km/h ... such as this:

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It's another stretch of the Lisboa-Algarve(south) main line currently being renewed (actualy is a 25km bypass) ... projected to have a top speed of 250km/h.
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Old November 20th, 2008, 08:09 AM   #290
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thank you for these usefull links. They tell so much. Obviously Portugal has a nice rail system although bus transportation is dominant unlike Nederlands or Belgium.

Do you have a HSR project wich has over 250 km/h speed?
We are going to dreplicate the main network with some aditional 1000km of HSL ... this will add to the current (and under upgrade) 2000km of old classic routes wich have limits between 140km/h and 220km/h (some were upgraded to higher speeds than those permited by the AlfaPendular nowadays) ... out of a 2600km network it's not bad at all ...


Nederlands and Belgium would love to have a network electrified at 25Kv 50Hz Ac like portugal has nowadays ... their main problem setting speeds back is the 1500vDC (in the nederlands).
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Old November 22nd, 2008, 08:50 PM   #291
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Some "minor" news from portugal:

http://www.refer.pt/pt/noticia.php?id=453
North Line ... the beginning of the work on the 1st grey area north of lisboa.
- they are demolishing buildings nearthe railway and a 2km "river side" pedestrian area with 22m will be built ... the plan is to insert a 3rd railway line and segregate that section of track ... the speed probably will be of 160km/h in the future (main station at VFxira and most of the express trains actualy stop there).

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Modernização da Linha do Norte - Subtroço 2.3 Alfarelos - Pampilhosa - Estação de Alfornelos e Secções Adjacentes
http://www2.apambiente.pt/IPAMB_DPP/...nt.asp?id=1383
http://aiacirca.apambiente.pt:8980/P...ailed&sb=Title
another section (some 10km) of the northern line to be modernized ...

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Ligação Ferroviária de Alta Velocidade, Via Terceira Travessia do Tejo (TTT) no Corredor Chelas - Barreiro - Modos Ferreoviário e Rodoviário
http://www2.apambiente.pt/IPAMB_DPP/...nt.asp?id=1366
http://aiacirca.apambiente.pt:8980/P...ailed&sb=Title
Environmental impact studies are currently under public avaliation

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Ligação Ferroviária de Alta Velocidade entre Lisboa e Porto - Lote D - Troço Lisboa-Alenquer (Ota)
http://www2.apambiente.pt/IPAMB_DPP/...nt.asp?id=1364
http://aiacirca.apambiente.pt:8980/P...ailed&sb=Title
Also under public consultancy ... and YES ... it's the Lisboa-Porto High Speed line

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Ligação entre o Lote D troço Lisboa-Alenquer(Ota) e o Lote C1 Alenquer - Pombal da Ligação Ferroviária de Alta Velocidade entre Lisboa e Porto
http://www2.apambiente.pt/IPAMB_DPP/...nt.asp?id=1385
http://aiacirca.apambiente.pt:8980/P...ailed&sb=Title << beware .. some 100MB worth of PDF downloads here
Another section of the Lisboa-Porto HSL


there are now some 160km of HSL "officialy" (almost) under construction .. .and some 200km "almost" (officialy) under construction.

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Old November 23rd, 2008, 07:56 PM   #292
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Some renders of the new Tagus Bridge

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Virtually a copy of the one that starts by Oriente, no?
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Virtually a copy of the one that starts by Oriente, no?
not exactly... this one will have a steel double deck, with four rail lines on bottom and 6 road lanes on top... this is quite different from Vasco da Gama bridge, wich is a road concrete bridge...
The cable-stayed bridge is also diferente in the shape of the towers ("H" format against "A" format), and the span is widder - 540m... but in the end its also a cable-stayed bridge...
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Old November 30th, 2008, 09:27 AM   #295
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Some Portuguese Railways stations

Lisboa (Lisbon) - Rossio railway station
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Lisboa (Lisbon) - Santa Apolónia railway station




Lisboa (Lisbon) - Orient railway station




Porto (Oporto) - São Bento railway station




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Porto (Oporto) - Campanhã railway station



Coimbra



Braga



Aveiro



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Viana do Castelo



Figueira da Foz


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Castelo Branco




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Some Portuguese Railways stations
Braga

I like very much the Braga trains station!

It's very interesting to see how the old station was incorporated with the new one.

There are also exhibitions inside the station and in the underground level there is a kind of a small museum. They find some roman pieces and they are shown there!
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some pictures of the Barreiro-PinhalNovo infraestructure modernization.

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fotos recolhidas da edição de 5 de Dezembro do jornal Margem Sul
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In wich area of Lisbon will the new bridge end? Which roads will it connect with?
I am totally in favour of a new rail bridge, but I'm afraid that too many cars coming from the Barreiro or Montijo areas into a central zone of Lisbon could bring a lot of congestion (And on the other hand, the ferry journey seems to be such a nice one ...)

Thanks in advance for your answers!

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In wich area of Lisbon will the new bridge end? Which roads will it connect with?
I am totally in favour of a new rail bridge, but I'm afraid that too many cars coming from the Barreiro or Montijo areas into a central zone of Lisbon could bring a lot of congestion (And on the other hand, the ferry journey seems to be such a nice one ...)

Thanks in advance for your answers!
In Lisbon, the TTT will end near Chelas district allowing the bridge to be connected with the local road (2ª Circular)/train (Linha da Cintura) systems. On the other side of the river the bridge will end in the city of Barreiro. It is part of the Madrid-Lisbon new high speed train line.





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In wich area of Lisbon will the new bridge end? Which roads will it connect with?
I am totally in favour of a new rail bridge, but I'm afraid that too many cars coming from the Barreiro or Montijo areas into a central zone of Lisbon could bring a lot of congestion (And on the other hand, the ferry journey seems to be such a nice one ...)

Thanks in advance for your answers!
Actually the TTT will diverge traffic from Seixal (there will be also a smaller bridge between Barreiro and Seixal) , from Sesimbra (the Barreiro highway will be extended further south) and from Moita ... This is to aleviate the load on the 25 de Abril bridge and to remove all the roundabound traffic that currently is diverged on the 40km long round trip via the Vasco da gama bridge ... thus aleviating the VG and alowing the future traffic to/from the new Lisboa airport to use VG as if it were a new bridge in that area.

note: the new lisboa airport will be some 10km to the east on that map above ...
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