PORTUGAL | Railways - Page 3

Paulo2004 · November 23rd, 2005, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by chiccoplease

It seems like Portugal's infrastructure projects are paid for by the EU. I'm not completely sure but this sounds reasonable to me.

Yes, "it seems" but it's not entirely so and these statements can sometimes mislead people!

EU budget for Portugal is far lower than that attributed to other european nations, like Spain for example. More, EU contibutes with only 20% of the total cost of these projects!!!! Also, some of the projects are totally financed by portugal's own budget. Our annual budget is far better than most other european countries imagine.

Also bear in mind what Portugal offers in return for these monetary compensations, like killing off our own agriculture to compensate France's and England's already well-off farmers.

Paulo2004 · November 24th, 2005, 09:56 PM

For all information on travelling in Portugal by train/subways, visit:

CP - Caminhos de Ferro Portugueses

Paulo2004 · November 29th, 2005, 03:42 PM

Frog · November 29th, 2005, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Tubeman

Grrrr! Why does every other country in Europe seem to have better-maintained and more modern railways than we do?

I know its largely cosmetic but most of our railways seem to have filthy ballast infested with weeds and a lot of wooden sleepers still.

Great pics, Portugal must have come a long way.

Reminds me when I travelled around europe by train, on the way back we went to Geneva airport on this smooth fast tilting train. When arriving back at Gatwick we were greeted by

really was a contrast

im really envious of the railways over there, double deck trains.. ones that actually turn up on time ...

Paulo2004 · December 1st, 2005, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Frog

Reminds me when I travelled around europe by train, on the way back we went to Geneva airport on this smooth fast tilting train. When arriving back at Gatwick we were greeted by
really was a contrast

im really envious of the railways over there, double deck trains.. ones that actually turn up on time ...

I'm sure there will also be an upgrade of trains there soon.

Paulo2004 · December 1st, 2005, 03:59 AM

Orient Railway / Metro station in Lisbon

Bitxofo · December 1st, 2005, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Paulo2004

Orient Railway / Metro station in Lisbon

Beautiful!!

On eof my favourite train stations in the world.

ThankS

MelbourneCity · December 1st, 2005, 12:25 PM

Interesting looking rail network.
Nice to see it is modern

What other cities have suburban rail/tram systems?

Paulo2004 · December 2nd, 2005, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MelbourneCity

Interesting looking rail network.
Nice to see it is modern

What other cities have suburban rail/tram systems?

In portugal, besides Lisbon we have them in Porto and Mirandela. Soon we will have them in Coimbra too. The city of Aveiro has a project but it's still deep in the drawer.

Paulo2004 · December 2nd, 2005, 11:31 PM

Modernization of Portugal's railways lines continues:

Paulo2004 · December 2nd, 2005, 11:38 PM

Paulo2004 · December 8th, 2005, 01:19 AM

The construction of high speed rail links connecting Lisbon with Madrid and with Porto, due to be operational by 2013, is estimated to cost around 7.2 bln eur, the Portuguese press reported, citing a government study. The construction of the Lisbon-Madrid link is expected to cost the Portuguese side 2.2 bln eur, while the Lisbon-Porto line is expected to cost almost 5 bln eur, the daily Publico reported.

Paulo2004 · December 13th, 2005, 12:28 PM

Portugal will build five new high speed railways by 2018, including four which will connect to neighbouring Spain. Total cost amounts to €12,5bn. Construction will start 2006 and trip times from Lisbon and Oporto to Madrid will be reduced to three hours.

Paulo2004 · December 13th, 2005, 12:33 PM

Although Portugal has begun the process of building brand new bullet-like high speed lines (TGV), the older ones have also been rebuilt with new, high speed trains (180km/h).

empersouf · December 14th, 2005, 05:32 PM

Nice trains, and what a diversity too!

Bikkel · December 14th, 2005, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Tubeman

Grrrr! Why does every other country in Europe seem to have better-maintained and more modern railways than we do?

Quote:

Originally Posted by from 1980 or so, Mark Thatcher PM

I want my money back!

Rebate! Rebate! Portugal received quite a bit from (EEC) EU funds.

Paulo2004 · December 16th, 2005, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Bikkel

Rebate! Rebate! Portugal received quite a bit from (EEC) EU funds.

Yes, quite a bit. It gave back much more I believe, such as less fisheries and agriculture production which has lead to many bankrupt farmers. Portugal doesn't receive a fraction of what other european nations receive in agriculture finance subsidies.

Bikkel · December 17th, 2005, 08:10 PM

Yes, that's sad! The CAP doesn't work for small farms. I have no remorse over the money from other EU members that went into building the Portugal railway network. It allowed for Calatrava's works which I greatly admire

Paulo2004 · December 20th, 2005, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Bikkel

Yes, that's sad! The CAP doesn't work for small farms. I have no remorse over the money from other EU members that went into building the Portugal railway network. It allowed for Calatrava's works which I greatly admire

Paulo2004 · December 28th, 2005, 04:49 PM

November 24th, 2005, 09:56 PM	#42
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December 8th, 2005, 01:19 AM	#52
Paulo2004 Luso from Aveiro Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Lusitania Posts: 4,707 Likes (Received): 2	Two high-speed rail links estimated to cost 7.2 bln euros The construction of high speed rail links connecting Lisbon with Madrid and with Porto, due to be operational by 2013, is estimated to cost around 7.2 bln eur, the Portuguese press reported, citing a government study. The construction of the Lisbon-Madrid link is expected to cost the Portuguese side 2.2 bln eur, while the Lisbon-Porto line is expected to cost almost 5 bln eur, the daily Publico reported. __________________ Por Portugal com paixão!- Murtosa em Fotos For the best photos or information on Portugal, visit the PORTUGUESE FORUM.

December 13th, 2005, 12:28 PM	#53
Paulo2004 Luso from Aveiro Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Lusitania Posts: 4,707 Likes (Received): 2	Portugal will build five new high speed railways by 2018, including four which will connect to neighbouring Spain. Total cost amounts to €12,5bn. Construction will start 2006 and trip times from Lisbon and Oporto to Madrid will be reduced to three hours. __________________ Por Portugal com paixão!- Murtosa em Fotos For the best photos or information on Portugal, visit the PORTUGUESE FORUM.

December 13th, 2005, 12:33 PM	#54
Paulo2004 Luso from Aveiro Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Lusitania Posts: 4,707 Likes (Received): 2	Although Portugal has begun the process of building brand new bullet-like high speed lines (TGV), the older ones have also been rebuilt with new, high speed trains (180km/h). __________________ Por Portugal com paixão!- Murtosa em Fotos For the best photos or information on Portugal, visit the PORTUGUESE FORUM.

December 14th, 2005, 05:32 PM	#55
empersouf Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 4,230 Likes (Received): 1	Nice trains, and what a diversity too!

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Bikkel sadfox Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Doggersbank Posts: 5,084 Likes (Received): 0	Yes, that's sad! The CAP doesn't work for small farms. I have no remorse over the money from other EU members that went into building the Portugal railway network. It allowed for Calatrava's works which I greatly admire

December 28th, 2005, 04:49 PM	#60
Paulo2004 Luso from Aveiro Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Lusitania Posts: 4,707 Likes (Received): 2	__________________ Por Portugal com paixão!- Murtosa em Fotos For the best photos or information on Portugal, visit the PORTUGUESE FORUM. Last edited by Paulo2004; April 27th, 2007 at 12:29 AM.

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