PORTUGAL | Railways

[UT596001]

I repeated my question:

Originally Posted by UT596001

There are no pics and no news about narrow gauge lines of Portugal. What is the future for this lines?

Any news?

[Arpels]

that train in the 3 pic runs in the line between Braga and Porto correct?

[Arpels]

Originally Posted by UT596001

I repeated my question:



Any news?

nothing for now except that they are made studies about the tracing of the lines and land expropriations to built the lines amoung Lisbon/Badajoz, Lisbon/Porto and Porto/Vigo, only in the end of the next decade we have norrow gauge lines!!

[UT596001]

I don't ask for the high speed lines. I refered to the lines who have a 1.000 mm gauge, like this:



Or a CP narrow gauge line:

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/pt/...to_Ramalde.jpg

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/pt/...c/IMG_2750.jpg

Any notices for this lines?

[Paulo2004]

Originally Posted by Arpels

that train in the 3 pic runs in the line between Braga and Porto correct?

Probably. And so do other trains like this one to other towns and cities.

[Arpels]

we dont have that lines with 1.000 mm UT

[Daniel_Portugal]

bom dia arpels

yeah that yellow trains are the transports for Urban Train Class in Porto. The ones that links the main urban areas near Porto Region. Braga, Guimarães, Marco de Canavezes and Aveiro. All of them starts in Sao Bento Station in Porto.

Trains for far cities [Surban Train Class] like Coimbra, Lisbon or Faro starts in Campanhã Station, in Porto.

[gutooo]

The portuguese railway system is really good!

I used the alpha train, the speddy one, to travel to Porto and was really good!

I used Porto's and Lisbon's systems and they are really good!

[Arpels]

I like the way as they had kept parts of the old stations incorporated in the new buildings, in some cases had kept some archeologic findings in the new structures, a exemple is the Pre Roman baths they found during the workmanships of constrution of the new station in Braga, the baths now are displayed to public see it inside the station:

[Paulo2004]

Very true Arpels.

[sotavento]

Originally Posted by Arpels

we dont have that lines with 1.000 mm UT

Actualy we do have some leftovers of the 1 metre gauge system yet on active duty.

Let me see:

Electrico de Sintra-Atlantico:
Sintra-colares-Praia das maças
its a TRAM line on the outsquirts of lisbon, and it's 1000mm gauge.
It's live and kicking ...
see: http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/pt/...ntico/pix.html

Linha do Vouga (a.k.a. vouguinha)
Espinho-Ol.Azemeis-Sernada-Macinhata-Agueda-Aveiro
its a narrow gaugue (1000mm) suburban line , a while ago some talks about conversion to tram/pre.metro(broad/uic gaugue) were made but as it's run with suburban 9630 units it realy doesn't make a difference anyway:
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/pt/.../9630/pix.html

note: sernada-viseu part of the line is closed and dismantled , and viseu-santa.comba.dão (linha do dão) is also dismantled (actualy they are making a ecopista in the line right of way).

North of Douro metric system

Porto-S.Hora-Povoa is now a tram line of "metro do porto". The stretch Povoa-Famalicão is abbandoned.

Porto-S.Hora-Trofa is also a tram line of mp , the line actualy only reaches maia(?) but its planned to go all the way to Trofa

Trofa-Lousado-Famalicão was dual gauge (iberica+metrica) and was removed a wile back and now only broad iberica gauge.

Lousado-guimarães was rebitoled to broad gaugue and is part of CP Porto suburban network (with the yellow trains and IC to lisboa)

On Douro line

Livração-Amarante-ArcoDeBaulhe is capped at Livração-Amarante and is run with "red" diesel LRV 9500

Regua-V.real-Chaves is capped at Regua-V.real and is also run with "red" LRV9500

Tua-Mirandela-Bragança is capped at Tua-Mirandela anda Mirandela-Carvalhais , being run by "metro de mirandela" a little "metro" partnershib between mirandela city council and CP , they use "green" LRV9500

The rest of those lines and the hole lenght of sabor line (pocinho-duas.Igrejas) were cleared of the tracks and are now simply awaiting for ppl to begin using them as roads and backyard's.

Every One and other metro system in portugal is now closed.

As Alpers sayd , there are plans to turn the vouga system area in a vast network of TGV style lines, and also some lines from porto to galicia are to be built.

[UT596001]

This is the answer who are founding about narrow gauge in Portugal. Thanks!

[traveler]

I, love the design of the Braga station, very cool.

[phubben]

Oooh! Luv CP's logo!

[fred_mendonca]

Originally Posted by Paulo2004

Although Portugal has begun the process of building brand new bullet-like high speed lines (TGV), the older ones have also been rebuilt with new, almost high speed trains (180km/h).

This train is able to reach up to 220 km/h so it's an high speed train.

[Bitxofo]

Depending on the average speed in a journey.

[sotavento]

CP Alfa Pendular runs (presently) at 224km/h

It's planned (and prepared) to run at 250km/h in new porposedly bilt tracks in the near (or not) future ...

[sotavento]

CP Alfa Pendular runs (presently) at 224km/h

It's planned (and prepared) to run at 250km/h in new porposedly bilt tracks in the near (or not) future ...

[Bitxofo]

That's top speed, not average speed.

[Chavito]

Originally Posted by sotavento

Tua-Mirandela-Bragança is capped at Tua-Mirandela anda Mirandela-Carvalhais , being run by "metro de mirandela" a little "metro" partnershib between mirandela city council and CP , they use "green" LRV9500

Hi

I'm looking for more details about this Metro de Mirandela. I know it started runing after the line to Braganca was closed.

Has somebody any information or map with the stations of this short line?

Obrigado