BUFFALO - New Buffalo Bills Stadium (72,000)

[eMKay]

Originally Posted by wardog_7kdt

Calm down lady... dont poop your pants for a comment...We live in a free country, I have my opinions you do have yours, I'm not telling what you or hick city what to do. You could give your info without trashing out anyone.

You're the one that came throwing trash around, now you're calling me names and insulting an entire city, and you're surprised when I give you attitude? How about you STFU and GTFO.

[eMKay]

We already host summer concerts on that site every week, they moved them from downtown because the crowds were getting too large.

[Buffalomatt1027]

Originally Posted by eMKay

We already host summer concerts on that site every week, they moved them from downtown because the crowds were getting too large.

Or else if this does happen: Live nation concerts at Darien Lake come to the waterfront instead. Almost the same venue people wise (they said the stadium can be converted to 20K place for concerts)

The stadium seats wise needs to be lowered to about 65,000

My personal opinion on all this is: If Pat Freeman has LEGIT sponsors and has a LEGIT group of investors the Buffalo Bills and State will come around.

For example: Russ Brandon trashed this idea the same day the proposal came out BUT.

If Pat Freeman comes to the Bills / Russ and says " I have Terry Pegula, Jermey Jacobs, and X, Y, and Z as potential investors in this project. Would the Buffalo Bills be interested in supporting this new stadium idea?"

I find it hard for the Bills / Russ to say no to him.

As for the State: The Buffalo Bills are TRUELY the only NFL team located in NY state. They owe us BIG TIME for paying for Yankee stadium, Citi field, and the jets giants stadium. The state knows Buffalo would be screwed economically if the Bills left too. I see them helping out.

But this is all a "wait and see" In 2 weeks the public will know more details. But from the looks of it: a hotel, a sports museum, muti use sports complex, shopping / restaurant area, and stadium looks seems like a PERFECT idea.

and PS the stadium isnt using the entire 1.4 Billion. That is the total of the whole plan itself. Some bills fans think its 1.4 billion just on the stadium alone!

[Buffalomatt1027]

to add to the NY owes us comment: MSG / the garden in NYC: So far the 2 phases of renovation the past 2 summers have added up to 123 million so far!

So the Bills definitely deserves money for a stadium or at the VERY least an easy 200 million for renovations.

[eMKay]

I agree 65,000 would work as well, as long as it's expandable to 70,000 plus for Superbowls

[ExWNY'er]

I am from OP and I would love to see the team stay out there for another 40 years. I was at the Ralph a few weeks ago for the Bills-Pats game. It still is a great place to see a game and the tailgating is as good as you can get in the NFL. However, I think he timing might be right to think bigger than renovations. I'd like to see a stadium built in the Niagara Falls area. That way, the Canadian fans can get there more easily. it will also be closer to Rochester. The tailgating will still be great. A downtown stadium would not have the huge economic impact that you might believe. I think many fans that come into town for games stay downtown and then head to OP.

Take 200 million and add another 150 and we can build an open air stadium like the one Pittsburgh has in Niagara.

[Buffalomatt1027]

Originally Posted by ExWNY'er

I am from OP and I would love to see the team stay out there for another 40 years. I was at the Ralph a few weeks ago for the Bills-Pats game. It still is a great place to see a game and the tailgating is as good as you can get in the NFL. However, I think he timing might be right to think bigger than renovations. I'd like to see a stadium built in the Niagara Falls area. That way, the Canadian fans can get there more easily. it will also be closer to Rochester. The tailgating will still be great. A downtown stadium would not have the huge economic impact that you might believe. I think many fans that come into town for games stay downtown and then head to OP.

Take 200 million and add another 150 and we can build an open air stadium like the one Pittsburgh has in Niagara.

I completely DISAGREE with you saying " it wont help the Buffalo economy that much" Thats obviously NOT true at all ..... a retractable roof stadium can bring NCAA games, concerts, a convention center use, and much much more. The plan is to make it a year around destination and facility.

Then 200 million for renovations: Its a bandaid that will only extend the stadium life 6-10 years.

Then the Ralph: The stadium itself is FALLING APART and out of date. ITs not a matter of "good" tailgating. Its about the building structure itself and the stadium being out of date! The stadium is gross ...just look at the concourse and bathrooms.

[scrat437]

Originally Posted by RMB2007

http://www.buffalonews.com/apps/pbcs...GION/121029746

I like it! 75,000 seats would probably suffice but hey, if 80,000 is what they want go with it! I dont mind the roof at all either!

[scrat437]

Originally Posted by Buffalomatt1027

Or else if this does happen: Live nation concerts at Darien Lake come to the waterfront instead. Almost the same venue people wise (they said the stadium can be converted to 20K place for concerts)

The stadium seats wise needs to be lowered to about 65,000

My personal opinion on all this is: If Pat Freeman has LEGIT sponsors and has a LEGIT group of investors the Buffalo Bills and State will come around.

For example: Russ Brandon trashed this idea the same day the proposal came out BUT.

If Pat Freeman comes to the Bills / Russ and says " I have Terry Pegula, Jermey Jacobs, and X, Y, and Z as potential investors in this project. Would the Buffalo Bills be interested in supporting this new stadium idea?"

I find it hard for the Bills / Russ to say no to him.

As for the State: The Buffalo Bills are TRUELY the only NFL team located in NY state. They owe us BIG TIME for paying for Yankee stadium, Citi field, and the jets giants stadium. The state knows Buffalo would be screwed economically if the Bills left too. I see them helping out.

But this is all a "wait and see" In 2 weeks the public will know more details. But from the looks of it: a hotel, a sports museum, muti use sports complex, shopping / restaurant area, and stadium looks seems like a PERFECT idea.

and PS the stadium isnt using the entire 1.4 Billion. That is the total of the whole plan itself. Some bills fans think its 1.4 billion just on the stadium alone!

If Im reading you right about Jets/Giants Stadium, The State of New York did NOT pay for Jets/Giants stadium since it was built in the State of NEW JERSEY which competed to keep the Jets out of New York City. You're right about Citifield and Yankee Stadium though! Originally both of those buildings were SUPPOSED to be built by the Wilpons and Steinbrenners respectively but they wanted to use bonds(Taxpayer subsidies) to build their palaces.

[scrat437]

Originally Posted by Buffalomatt1027

to add to the NY owes us comment: MSG / the garden in NYC: So far the 2 phases of renovation the past 2 summers have added up to 123 million so far!

So the Bills definitely deserves money for a stadium or at the VERY least an easy 200 million for renovations.

And btw, NY State is not paying for the renovation of MSG with Taxpayer money, the bill is being footed entirely by Charles and James Dolan, Cablevision Owners as well as owners of the Knicks and Rangers. The City and State are still irate at those two idiots for blocking the Jets Westside stadium.

[scrat437]

Originally Posted by www.sercan.de

Looks like 72,000 is the new NFL stadium capacity

New Buffalo Bills Stadium (72,000)
Farmers Field (72,000)
New Vikings Stadium (72,000)

I'm in NYC and I can tell you the Jets do not really fill their bldg completely on game days. The listed attendance is usually no higher than 77, 000 though the building holds 79000. The Giants always pack them in though but probably due to their fanbase being larger of course. The Jets games are listed as sellouts due to ticket sales for the secondary marked brokers like Stubhub or Ticket master which is why the NFL allows the Jets to skirt the blackout rule

[scrat437]

Originally Posted by www.sercan.de

Looks like 72,000 is the new NFL stadium capacity

New Buffalo Bills Stadium (72,000)
Farmers Field (72,000)
New Vikings Stadium (72,000)

I'm in NYC and I can tell you the Jets do not really fill their bldg completely on game days. The listed attendance is usually no higher than 77, 000 though the building holds 79000. The Giants always pack them in though but probably due to their fanbase being larger of course. The Jets games are listed as sellouts due to ticket sales for the secondary markey (brokers like Stubhub or Ticket master) which is why the NFL allows the Jets to skirt the blackout rule

[carminashaun]

wow

[shhyvoodoo]

Originally Posted by eMKay

So that you can look at 40,000 empty overpriced seats?

+1. They can't even sell out the ONE game they get... Stop it with the Toronto nonsense.. the NFL WILL NEVER GO THERE. I think London would get a team before Toronto and the NFL respects the CFL territory..

ben
voodoo

[shhyvoodoo]

Originally Posted by flashman

HaHaHa! That's funny. The CFL is limping along nicely with it's Toronto franchise already on life support. Just ask any teenager to name one Argonaut football player. The Argonauts are owned by the same man who owns the B.C. Lions, so one quarter of the league is owned by one man. This isn't Weekend At Bernies. Time to stop pretending and propping up the deceased.

The NFL likes money. What they say and what they do is all predicated on money.

Toronto is a ridiculously wealthy city. The amount of tower cranes on that city's downtown skyline must be near 100. Has been that way for several years now with condos and commercial projects racing out of the ground. Now, a new downtown casino project is in the works. If the Bills decided to make their part-time home a permanent one, you could expect a ravenous demand for tickets and suites. The team would fill a 90,000-seat stadium every game and the corporate support would be on a par with any city outside of NY.

At some point, the NFL is going to receive an offer it can't refuse. It would be lovely to see Buffalo retain the Bills. The games at The Ralph are fun. Inside and outside the stadium, game-day atmosphere is terrific. Fans there really care and Canadian fans who cross the border really appreciate what goes on there. Toronto and Buffalo and have a great rivalry in hockey, so having that extend to football would be wonderful.

But western New York's population has been in a long, steady decline and the similarly-sagging corporate culture is less than ideal for what the NFL wants and needs.

Good luck with this project, but I'm highly skeptical it'll get past the drawing board.

Toronto is a TERRIBLE.... TERRIBLE sports town.. PERIOD.
It's the Leafs and that's it... I don't care how much wealth is there they are not spending it on the NFL.. Another thing, the NFL would rather put TWO teams in Los Angeles and a team in London, England before they will even think about putting one in Toronto.
Also, getting Canadian governments to put out cash for sports facilities is like pulling teeth.. the NFL clearly states an combination of private and public investment MUST be used to receive an NFL franchise.. Do you honestly think Ontario is gonna fork over 300+ million for the NFL? Oh you don't think they are just gonna move into the Rogers Centre do you?? A stadium that is not really football freindly??

BTW. The CFL is doing fine.. watch it sometimes.. The Argos aren't doing bad because of football, they need to get out of the dome soon... The Argos history is rich in Canada, the have won the most Grey Cups and the team wants out of RC and the FANS want out of the place..

ben
voodoo

[Buffalomatt1027]

Originally Posted by scrat437

If Im reading you right about Jets/Giants Stadium, The State of New York did NOT pay for Jets/Giants stadium since it was built in the State of NEW JERSEY which competed to keep the Jets out of New York City. You're right about Citifield and Yankee Stadium though! Originally both of those buildings were SUPPOSED to be built by the Wilpons and Steinbrenners respectively but they wanted to use bonds(Taxpayer subsidies) to build their palaces.

Ok i did look it up ....MSG DID NOT use taxpayer dollars BUT

Giants / Jets stadium in New Jersey WAS PAID FOR by NY state taxpayer dollars!

[Buffalomatt1027]

Originally Posted by shhyvoodoo

Toronto is a TERRIBLE.... TERRIBLE sports town.. PERIOD.
It's the Leafs and that's it... I don't care how much wealth is there they are not spending it on the NFL.. Another thing, the NFL would rather put TWO teams in Los Angeles and a team in London, England before they will even think about putting one in Toronto.
Also, getting Canadian governments to put out cash for sports facilities is like pulling teeth.. the NFL clearly states an combination of private and public investment MUST be used to receive an NFL franchise.. Do you honestly think Ontario is gonna fork over 300+ million for the NFL? Oh you don't think they are just gonna move into the Rogers Centre do you?? A stadium that is not really football freindly??

BTW. The CFL is doing fine.. watch it sometimes.. The Argos aren't doing bad because of football, they need to get out of the dome soon... The Argos history is rich in Canada, the have won the most Grey Cups and the team wants out of RC and the FANS want out of the place..

ben
voodoo

I live in Buffalo and open listen to WGR 550 (the only sports station in Buffalo)

Canadians from Toronto often call in and most canadians like the Ralph / stadium atmostsphere and wouldnt want them to move.

They also say that Toronto is a terrible football town and the Rogers center is a dead atmosphere most of the Bills Vs who ever comes to Toronto.

[scrat437]

Originally Posted by Buffalomatt1027

Ok i did look it up ....MSG DID NOT use taxpayer dollars BUT

Giants / Jets stadium in New Jersey WAS PAID FOR by NY state taxpayer dollars!

I live in NYC, No NY State or NYC Taxmoney was used. If it was paid for with tax money, it was New Jersey taxpayer money, its a whole different state.

[scrat437]

http://cbsminnesota.files.wordpress....ry-12-2-11.pdf

Note the Private vs Public, according to this no taxpayer money was utilized

[bewilder2]

Originally Posted by scrat437

I live in NYC, No NY State or NYC Taxmoney was used. If it was paid for with tax money, it was New Jersey taxpayer money, its a whole different state.

Cowboys stadium and FedEx Field had the public contribution go mostly towards improved access (aka roads). Unlike those two, however, New Meadowlands was at the same site, thus did not need access improvements.