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Old November 3rd, 2012, 12:45 PM   #21
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I wonder how it is enforced there. I suppose they have a logbook, which can easily be edited. How strictly is this enforced? Are there high penalties for offenses?
Today tachographs are digital, that can be checked very fast and they are not easily editable "on the site". Also you can get a penalty in Germany if you drove too long a month ago for example in Hungary (not always vice versa though - depends of the country)
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Old November 3rd, 2012, 01:02 PM   #22
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I think he meant the American system where tachographs are only optional.

Jeroen is a truck driver, so he's well aware of the European system
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Old November 3rd, 2012, 05:30 PM   #23
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Ah, ok. Misunderstanding.
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Old November 3rd, 2012, 05:33 PM   #24
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That's quite right about the complexity of the regulations, that Chris pointed out. Not only European truck drivers are allowed to drive less hours a day, but the complex schedule makes it quasi impossible to fulfill all these hours. For example because of loosing time that you are allowed to drive on border controls, or as it happens often even in same-country transport - on loading and unloading. And when you're finally ready to go, the schedule says you should rest some few more hours...
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Old December 6th, 2012, 12:03 AM   #25
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Moreover, some companies may sack a driver who does not keep to the regulations.
I know some companies here in the Netherlands where you´ll be sacked if you DO keep to the regulations. Still, I´d guess that american drivers are making longer days on average than a european driver would.
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Old December 6th, 2012, 12:11 AM   #26
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I heard about De-Rooy Logistik. They employ a lot of Eastern Europeans, mostly Poles and try/tried to exploit them as much as possible.
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Old December 6th, 2012, 12:55 AM   #27
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There´s a lot of exploitation in dutch transport companies nowadays.

Dutch drivers:
- not getting payed the correct salary scale
- not getting payed all hours
- maximum times for (un)loading, anything above is not payed
- not paying for fines, even if they are instructed to make an offense

East-european drivers:
- months away from home
- paying for damages
- lack of sanitary services (since they can't pay for it)

There are unfortunately already quite some companies that work this way..
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Old December 6th, 2012, 06:28 AM   #28
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to clarify US rule; the 14 hour rule dictates that the 11 hours or less of driving, must be done within a 14 hour period. Example, day starts at 08:00, the driver must not do any more driving past 22:00, but may do on-duty work(on-duty work is; inspections, loading, unloading and any other non-driving work, even an official second job must be recorded) past the 14th hour.

And the 70 hours is in an 8 day period, if no 34 hour restart(break) is taken after the 8th day, the driver may only use the hours he/she drove 8 days ago.
this is where it get tricky to explain, and i would have to explain the recap which tells us drivers what we did 8 days ago.
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Old December 6th, 2012, 10:03 AM   #29
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to clarify US rule; the 14 hour rule dictates that the 11 hours or less of driving, must be done within a 14 hour period. Example, day starts at 08:00, the driver must not do any more driving past 22:00, but may do on-duty work(on-duty work is; inspections, loading, unloading and any other non-driving work, even an official second job must be recorded) past the 14th hour.
This is practicly the same as in europe. Here you're allowed to work 15 hours a day, however this only means that 15 hours after starting a shift your card must be on 'rest', or being removed, starting a 9-hour rest-period. You could still work after that. You can even still drive after that legally with the 'out of scoop' function, however this is only allowed on the own yard.
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