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Old July 5th, 2013, 05:04 AM   #21
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Little though I know about LA development regulations, I can hardly see something like that getting in the way. I know it's cliché to point out, but basically the entirety of Japan lies on fault lines, and that hasn't stopped the Japanese from loading their cities full to bursting with skyscrapers of heights greatly exceeding (in proportion) the vast majority of structures in the LA basin.
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Old July 5th, 2013, 10:55 PM   #22
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please pay no attention to that guy. ive seen him spew his bs on other sites as well.

the W hotel and residences were built a couple years ago (15 stories) and there is a massive development currently under construction across the street from where these proposed towers are.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 05:24 AM   #23
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City Council Approves Millennium Hollywood

Late NIMBY attack using seismologists notwithstanding, this one's a go!



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LOS ANGELES-The City Council unanimously approved the massive Millennium Hollywood mixed-use project today by a 13-0 vote. But Council members, citing concerns that the project is near an active fault line, said that more study would be done on that issue before final building permits are issued and construction begins.

The state California Geological Survey organization previously said it would also examine the fault line issue. An 11th-hour bid by local opposition groups to halt the Council vote because of the project's fault line proximity was unsuccessful.

The Council approval today also requires project developer Millennium Partners to helm a community benefits package esimated at $17 million. The benefits include a $4.8-million payment for affordable housing, creating a program to acquire transit passes and committing $500,000 over 10 years at $50,000 per year toward giving workers and residents within the project those passes, building a public observation deck, making a $50,000 contribution toward construction of a skate park in Hollywood, and providing an undefined commitment toward music and arts programming at the project site.

Millennium Partners said work on the project could start "as soon as a year from now," with work on the West side of Vine St. scheduled first. Construction of each phase of the project is expected to take 30 months.


The only 'fault': they aren't even taller!

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Old July 25th, 2013, 05:30 AM   #24
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The southern strand of the active Hollywood Fault is directly under the project site. Millennium's phony geology reports claiming that the fault was .4 miles away have been busted by alert local residents. The height will have to be reduced to zero. California law prohibits any building for human habitation within 50 feet of an active fault.
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Old January 9th, 2014, 09:32 PM   #25
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The Hollywood Fault Has Finally Been Mapped And It's Bad News



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Updated 9:49 am: Pop the champagne, NIMBYs: Turns out the proposed site of the huge Millennium Hollywood project appears to be directly on top of an earthquake fault, and it's illegal under state law to build on top of a fault. Hollywood Hills anti-development types stumbled on the Hollywood fault issue last year, having exhausted every other plan to stop the huge MillHoll towers (they've since filed many lawsuits and the developers have halted the project); there's a state law that prohibits building on top of a fault, but it depends on the state having up-to-date maps. The maps haven't been kept up to date, however, because the state is often short of money, so developers were kind of sliding by (the LA Times has taken up the cause in the past several months and notes that the nearby and well-under-construction Blvd6200 also appears to lie right on a fault, although that project is only six stories). Today the California Geological Survey finally rushed out its preliminary map (pdf) of the Hollywood Fault and it seems to run smack through the proposed MillHoll project and the Capitol Records Tower, not to mention a whole lot of the rest of downtown Hollywood (The mapped earthquake zones "do not affect existing developments unless extensive additions or remodeling are proposed," according to the CGS. Or, of course, they fall over in an earthquake.)

BUT: Leron Gubler, president of the Hollywood Chamber of Commerce clarifies what's going on with the MillHoll project in an email:

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The fault traces shown represent the state geologist's best guess of where they lie. They are not definitive. It is up to a developer to perform the additional study to the City's satisfaction to prove whether they are there and if so, the exact location. In the case of the Millennium project, the developers have already said that they are willing to perform trenching and additional seismic work. If they do determine that a fault trace runs through their project site, then it does not kill the project. They would need to redesign the project so that buildings are at least 50 ft. from the fault trace. The Millennium development team has already said that they would do that should a fault trace be found. The Millennium team has assured us that they remain committed to this project.
In other words, keep digging NIMBY scumbags...
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Old January 9th, 2014, 11:42 PM   #26
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Yeah, I've been following this pretty closely -- my girlfriend is in disaster management so we have fun debated about this stuff all the time. They should be fine to build the towers 50+ feet away, they just can't build directly on top of the fault for what should be pretty obvious reasons.

What's ****ed up though, is that there are a ton of already-constructed buildings in LA that do sit directly on top of faults that could shear them in half in a major earthquake -- and which could have been avoided, had the state actually allocated any money to doing this research in the first place. Obviously, no one is going to raze those buildings, but it's going to adversely affect insurance rates (and insurance rates will affect rents, etc.) all through the area.

As pro-development as I am, you have to be smart about it. The fact that the state dragged their feet on doing this research is going to really screw some people over, developers included.
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Old July 29th, 2014, 01:30 AM   #27
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NIMBYS with RABIES

Well, after months of fault line studies one guy (who isn't a scientist) thinks he's got the seismic goods on Millennium Hollywood:

Opponent of Millennium Hollywood Project Says He's Spotted the Elusive Earthquake Fault

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George Abrahams, noted Hollywood Hills NIMBY, member of the Central Hollywood Neighborhood Council Land Use Committee (someone gave this guy power to decide land use issues??), and occasional Curbed commenter, has used his discerning eye to spot what he calls a fault in a picture taken inside a trench dug near the proposed site of the massive Millennium Hollywood project. Abrahams, who is not a geologist but is a rabid opponent of the development (and really almost all development in Hollywood), says he spotted the fault after examining pics from inside the trench.

An NBC LA report states that documents obtained from the city of Los Angeles describe the previously unknown fault found on the southeast corner of Yucca and Argyle inside a trench dug in front of an apartment complex, but a video obtained by a drone fails to show the same fault line in the trench dug at the site of the proposed 6230 Yucca project across the street.
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There's no official word from the Building and Safety department about what was found in the new trench. But that won't stop these fanatical NIMBY zealots from preserving their precious parking lots.
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Old July 29th, 2014, 12:37 PM   #28
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Annoying NIMBYs are everywhere; it's just a matter of proving whether or not the NIMBYism is appropriate in this case, and if so, what will be done to allay their justified concerns. Frankly, I don't imagine it'll need to be too much, as it seems like 50ft away is still within the plot of the project. A simple reorientation? Alternatively, it seems like they'd need to get approval to build on another, nearby parking lot site. Would that be a huge hassle? I'm not savvy about LA development processes.
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Old November 1st, 2014, 12:50 AM   #29
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From the Los Angeles Times...

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Developers' study finds no active faults under Hollywood projects


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A consultant hired by Millennium Partners, developers of the proposed Millennium Hollywood skyscraper project, says no active earthquake faults run under the property...



By Rosanna Xia, Rong-Gong Lin II
AUGUST 11, 2014, 8:18 PM

A consultant hired by the developers of several large Hollywood projects said his studies found no evidence of an active earthquake fault underneath the properties and is asking the state to reflect that in its official regulatory maps..

The consultant, Michael Reader, said that after comprehensive studies under four properties at the intersection of Argyle Avenue and Yucca Street, his firm was unable to find the active fault drawn by the California Geological Survey in its proposed zoning map of the Hollywood earthquake fault.

The state's map has been the subject of much debate because it placed the Hollywood fault zone through the iconic Capitol Records tower and Millennium project, where a developer plans to build Hollywood's tallest skyscrapers, at 39- and 35-stories tall. The map estimates the fault also goes through other developments.

Reader said his firm did find minor faults under two properties across the street from the Millennium site, and a proposed apartment complex at the former KFWB-AM radio studio. But tests showed these faults last shook so long ago that they are considered inactive. California law defines faults that ruptured within the last 11,000 years as active.

"We showed that there are no faults that are active within the four study areas," said Reader, who provided a five-page summary of his findings to the state Mining and Geology Board.

State geologist John Parrish said his agency has not yet reviewed Reader's report. But he said he would need more than the synopsis Reader provided before making any changes.

We "would not make changes to a map based on a summary letter from a contractor, but rather only from a direct review and analysis of the data itself," Parrish said in an email. He said his agency uses data from many reports "to obtain the most accurate and complete picture."

Reader said his firm, Group Delta, dug four trenches, and took dozens of soil and sonar samples, which so far have cost the developers more than $1 million, he said.

He said working on all four properties was like piecing together a "geological jigsaw puzzle," and his firm was only able to reach these conclusions because they were hired and had access to study all the locations at the same time.

The state board will review the appeals Thursday morning during a meeting at the Capitol. In a report, board Executive Officer Stephen Testa outlined options the board could take, which includes recommending the state geologist remove that portion of the fault from the final map pending the new data, "unless the conclusions indicate a sufficiently active and well-defined fault" at that intersection.

The state geological survey, headed by Parrish, has final say over how the map is drawn, Testa said in the report.

The state's preliminary map was drawn from a detailed review of published professional data and academic studies in the Hollywood area.

When finalized, the state's map requires anyone seeking to build in a zone roughly 500 feet from the estimated path of the fault to do a detailed earthquake fault study. The study aims to ensure a structure is not constructed on top of the fault.

The final say over whether a structure can be built lies with Los Angeles' Department of Building and Safety, which must determine if a developer has done sufficient underground study and demonstrated whether a structure can be built safely away from any active faults.

As the project proposals move forward, Reader will be submitting data to the city from the four trenches, which were 120 to 200 feet long and up to 35 feet deep, as well as dozens of sonar and soil samples up to 60 feet deep.

Millennium officials last summer said their initial studies showed the fault does not cross the project site, but agreed to additional studies at the request of the city's building department.

In a statement Monday, Philip Aarons of Millennium Partners said a full report of the investigation is being finalized, and will be submitted to city officials later this month.

"As we have said repeatedly over the last year, Millennium Hollywood is steadfast in its commitment to build a safe project that conforms to the highest earthquake resiliency standards," Aarons said in the statement. "And getting the best information possible allows us to start planning toward that reality."

The Hollywood fault zone is expected to be finalized later this year.
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LADBS Agrees There's No Fault Under 6230 Yucca Site



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The slippery Hollywood Fault's exact whereabouts have long created headaches for developers of high-profile projects in the area, whose plans would (understandably) have to change if an active fault segment were found under their project. There's one less headache now, reports the LA Times, as the LA Department of Building and Safety agreed with a geologist hired by developers of Millennium Hollywood that there's no active fault under another site—6230 Yucca Street— where a 16-story mixed-user's been waiting years to get built. LADBS wrote in its approval letter that "no building restrictions relative to potential fault-rupture are recommended for the subject site." You can almost hear the champagne popping.
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