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Old October 31st, 2012, 12:29 AM   #1
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Quasi- and proto-cities in Ireland

I was looking through Wikipedia entries of some of the more prominent towns of the island and it struck me how much Tralee resembles a city in miniature form. Consider that it has the following:

  • Museum
  • Theatre
  • Airport
  • Institute of Technology
  • An international festival
  • HQ of an MNC(Kerry Group)
  • A newspaper and a radio station based there
  • A railway station
Which is a lot considering it has a population of only 25,000. It could be a future city if its population increases rapidly in the future.

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Old October 31st, 2012, 12:57 AM   #2
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Its the biggest town in a very rural county, I think Tralee reminds me of what Galway was like a few years ago, it has a potential (like what Galway had) to draw in a lot of people from the surrounding area for college and work..but I think with places like Killarney (a much more scenic place) and Limerick (a city with a big pull on rural munster) im unsure as to the growth of the place as a regional town, I believe it has its problems (like many rural towns in Ireland) to being quite a rough pace in the last couple of years..Personally I think the Dublin commuter towns like the ones in Kildare and north Dublin and to a lesser extent Cork, have real potential for proper growth to become cities..
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I was thinking that because of the likes of Cork and Limerick, if any growth, it would go to either one of them.
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Still, even though it does have its challenges, it's quite a well-appointed town considering how small it is which leads me to term it a mini-city. The old definition of a city is a place in which a cathedral has been built. I'd say a modern definition of a city is a place with certain amenities like a university, theatre, stadium, shopping centre, museum etc. Tralee has many of these unlike, say, Armagh. It also makes it the natural focus for future development in Kerry alongside Killarney.

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Still, even though it does have its challenges, it's quite a well-appointed town considering how small it is which leads me to term it a mini-city. The old definition of a city is a place in which a cathedral has been built. I'd say a modern definition of a city is a place with certain amenities like a university, theatre, stadium, shopping centre, museum etc. Tralee has many of these unlike, say, Armagh. It also makes it the natural focus for future development in Kerry alongside Killarney.
Armagh is a special case though.
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Armagh is a special case though.
Yeah, the place has significance because St. Patrick decided it was a great place for a church and it became the focus of the Christian faith in Ireland. Still, it is a town in de facto terms, even though it is a city de jure. Only Belfast and Derry are true cities in Northern Ireland.

Wexford is another well-appointed county town which, if it were to grow significantly in population and amenities, could become a city in time. It has;

  • Several hotels
  • An opera house (and a burgeoning cultural scene)
  • The Wexworlds festival
  • Railway station
  • Seaport (nearby in Rosslare)
As limerickguy mentioned, large towns in the vicinity of Dublin are the likeliest candidates for city status at this moment in time. In fact I think the frontrunners are all in a row along the Eastern seaboard - Dundalk, Drogheda and Swords. Dundalk would have the advantage in that it has an Institute of Technology, unlike Drogheda and Swords however Swords has the demographic advantage. When you include Kinsealy which is in the vicinity, Swords has a population of 42,738 which is growing rapidly. Considering Waterford has 51,519 inhabitants, that gives Swords the edge in terms of size. I would also say city status should be granted to Swords to enable it to develop towards its target of 100,000 citizens by 2035 in a coherent and organised manner. It still remains geographically distinct from the contiguous Dublin urban area so this is its chance to become a place in its own right, a bit like Bolton in Greater Manchester or Bradford in the Leeds Urban Area.


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