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Old June 7th, 2013, 07:50 PM   #241
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Not a surprising comment coming from the MLP icon guy.
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Old June 10th, 2013, 07:14 PM   #242
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This corner used to be beautiful with the Savoy-Plaza:

That photo says more than a million words by the so-called "modernists" who are forever trying to defend the indefensible with a load of hot air rhetoric. Grand Army Plaza was an example of outstanding city planning totally ruined by the intrusion of a bland non-descript box in place of the magnificent Savoy Plaza, designed by the way, by one of the most famous architectural practices of New York, Mc.Kim Mead and White who were also the designers of the original Pen Station, the finest transport terminal ever built and now also just a memory!
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Old June 10th, 2013, 10:03 PM   #243
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Old June 10th, 2013, 10:04 PM   #244
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This is worth a repost then... While many great buildings have been lost, massive swaths of NYC are in Landmarked neighborhoods.

Example of the Lady's Mile Historic District below:

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Old June 12th, 2013, 02:58 AM   #245
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Please, go on! Don't just quote yourself over and over again! Also, use examples of buildings still used to the fullest extent, and not by some liberal college. The last one really made you end on a low note. No pun intended, but I would have ended with the Sohmer Piano Building.
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Old June 12th, 2013, 04:07 AM   #246
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The overwhelming majority of Manhattan and Brooklyn look exactly today as they did before W WII. MidtownMidtown between 42nd and 57th is a very small part of Manhattan.
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Old June 12th, 2013, 04:11 AM   #247
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"Nondescript"

Yes, because those are totally the ones that are being demolished right now.

I can recognize the XYZ buildings anywhere.

@Uaarkson Ad hominem? Really?
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Old June 12th, 2013, 12:15 PM   #248
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I believe the correct terminology is "Down right freaking beautiful, and 2 trillion times better than any suburban McCraphole

And also, what much of these have been razed for is some of the most Non-descript stuff I have ever seen.

Couldn't agree more!


American cities sacrificed most of what could have made them charming places.

It's not like e.g. European cities couldn't grow because they didn't tear down their old towns...
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Old June 12th, 2013, 09:04 PM   #249
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Couldn't agree more!


American cities sacrificed most of what could have made them charming places.

It's not like e.g. European cities couldn't grow because they didn't tear down their old towns...
Midtown Manhattan has never been "charming".

Also I would wager that a greater percentage of pre-WWII buildings still stand in NYC than many European cities. Particularly Germany. So I don't really understand your point...
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Old June 12th, 2013, 09:55 PM   #250
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Midtown Manhattan has never been "charming".

Also I would wager that a greater percentage of pre-WWII buildings still stand in NYC than many European cities. Particularly Germany. So I don't really understand your point...
We bemoan the loss of pre-ww2 buildings in Europe too.
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Old June 13th, 2013, 04:03 AM   #251
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Midtown Manhattan has never been "charming".

Also I would wager that a greater percentage of pre-WWII buildings still stand in NYC than many European cities. Particularly Germany. So I don't really understand your point...
Clearly you have never seen the Beautiful pictures from the pre 1900 era of Midtown

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Old June 13th, 2013, 04:31 AM   #252
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This is all very sad.. I always found the original skyscrapers of New York the best ones, instead of the current wave of depressing, uninspiring, corporate and greedy ones just made of steel around the world..
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Old June 13th, 2013, 05:02 AM   #253
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Last year's share of this thread's interesting.
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Old June 13th, 2013, 11:23 AM   #254
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These building are very nice indeed!
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Old June 13th, 2013, 06:00 PM   #255
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Clearly you have never seen the Beautiful pictures from the pre 1900 era of Midtown

That is indeed beautiful. However the vast majority of Midtown prior to its skyscraper boom consisted of walk up tenements - along the lines of what you'll find today in Hell's Kitchen or the Lower East Side.

My point should have been, so much of that historic urban fabric still exists in NYC that I'm okay with Midtown being largely redeveloped into one of the world's largest clusters of skyscrapers. Its what makes New York dynamic not a museum city.

And look, I definitely think some incredible buildings have been destroyed in NYC that are heartbreaking to look at. But to show some Brooklyn brownstones and then 6th Avenue in Midtown and to claim that one replaced the other, thats not true. There are many neighborhoods left with majority historic structures left.

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Old June 13th, 2013, 06:43 PM   #256
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They tumbled down that beautiful bulding to build this fugly toothpick? To make matters worse you can't hide it or cover it with another building. Real estate speculation is everywhere.
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Old June 14th, 2013, 11:40 AM   #257
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Also I would wager that a greater percentage of pre-WWII buildings still stand in NYC than many European cities. Particularly Germany. So I don't really understand your point...
Quantity is still different to quality, mate.
That's why there isn't a single old town/downtown in the US that is World Heritage protected, while there are several ones in Germany and other European and some Asian countries.
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Old June 14th, 2013, 12:04 PM   #258
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Quantity is still different to quality, mate.
That's why there isn't a single old town/downtown in the US that is World Heritage protected, while there are several ones in Germany and other European and some Asian countries.
The world heritage list is quite a blunt instrument for comparison. Sweden's heritage sites include a radio tower but not Stockholm's old town for instance. It's all about what the politicians want to nominate and if they find the national heritage designations strong enough.
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Old June 14th, 2013, 12:22 PM   #259
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Still, there's not a single old town in all of North America that'd would come close to any of the European world heritage old towns; not even Quebec.
There are also widely newer old towns in Europe, like that one of Stockholm mentioned, that were largely created when American cities were also already growing. Still, hardly any American city preserved a baroque or colonial-style old town worth mentioning, except a few ones like New Orleans or Savannah.

It's a little different for South America though.

While the strength of historical American downtowns is and was their constant growth, that isn't necessarily a strength when it comes to architectural ensembles and cultural constancy.
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Some people sound like they haven't visited New York. The outer boroughs are FILLED with historic architecture: the vast majority of the Bronx and Brooklyn and good amounts of Queens too. Even in Manhattan there's tons of historic architecture everywhere. Some gems have been demolished, which is sad. But HUGE parts of Brooklyn resemble historic European centers, of course with the uniquely NY late 19th/early 20th century look. NY is certainly among the top cities in the world in historic preservation, compare to Hong Kong and Sao Paulo.
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