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Old June 14th, 2013, 03:26 PM   #261
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The argument of this thread doesn't deal with outer boroughs, but mainly with Manhattan and especially its busiest districts.
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Just another horrendously stupid example - seriously, how could anyone?

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Time to bid farewell to 22 Thames Street, NYC.
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22 Thames is that beautiful red old building in the picture.

This will replace it. Unique, but in a terrible location. The plot next to it is half empty an the other half has an ugly white low-rise. But instead they choose to demolish what should be landmarked.

Another square ensemble messed up and taken away from its classical NYC charme.
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Old June 15th, 2013, 04:45 PM   #263
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You may also check this thread and realize what was lost already:

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Old June 17th, 2013, 03:25 AM   #264
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What? Somebody said Lower Manhattan was extensively preserved. Of course, he ever posted were brownstones in SoHo. To destroy 22 Thames for this piece of hipster shit is almost as bad as 432 Park Avenue and the Drake Hotel!

It should have been built a block north on that crummy white building. It would have a much more appropriate neighbor, a project which has stalled for so long, and came back again as something mediocre. Of course, right across from the new WTC complex...
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Old June 17th, 2013, 03:50 AM   #265
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This thread is really depressive
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Old June 17th, 2013, 09:27 PM   #266
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Yeah, that thread really brings me down...
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Old June 17th, 2013, 09:53 PM   #267
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The replacement is far from bad but I just wish it was built across the street (nearer the WTC site) where there's some ugly white 30s lowrise, an empty lot, and an ugly white cube with brown stripes.
Seriously. The red brick would have reflected nicely off the abstract mirror glass.
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Old June 17th, 2013, 09:58 PM   #268
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Rounded arches are a favorite of mine, and the red brick is really unique for NYC. Really wish it wasn't being demolished. At least the new tower looks good.
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Old June 17th, 2013, 11:59 PM   #269
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The demo of 22 Thames Street really pisses me off. It is a beautiful building that should have been preserved. The Landmarks Preservation Commission (LPC) determined that its neighbor, the American Stock Exchange building was a landmark, while this one was not. Shameful.

Fortunately, there are many more beautiful buildings in the City that are either individual Landmarks or fall within Landmark Districts. Still a loss no doubt.
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Old June 18th, 2013, 12:08 AM   #270
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I agree. To erase places with meaning and history for some flashy buildings which we have more than enough of is terrible.
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Old June 18th, 2013, 03:59 AM   #271
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The replacement is far from bad but I just wish it was built across the street (nearer the WTC site) where there's some ugly white 30s lowrise, an empty lot, and an ugly white cube with brown stripes.
Seriously. The red brick would have reflected nicely off the abstract mirror glass.
I think that white low-rise is might be one of the oldest buildings in the area. However, it has no architectural value and should have been demolished instead of all the past larger grand buildings. So much for "sustainable development," Count Bloomberg.

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Rounded arches are a favorite of mine, and the red brick is really unique for NYC. Really wish it wasn't being demolished. At least the new tower looks good.
Well, lots of people call One Liberty Plaza ugly when it's actually a solid late-modernist building. It's more within the context of what it replaced, which was the Singer Building et al. As a modernist structure is expected to replace this beautiful early 1900s building, and in this day and age, I dislike everything about it. It wouldn't be as bad if it replaced what me, the brony, and some other people mentioned.

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Fortunately, there are many more beautiful buildings in the City that are either individual Landmarks or fall within Landmark Districts. Still a loss no doubt.
I don't understand why this building was able to slip through the cracks. It's clearly more historical than the post-war Park Avenue buildings recently submitted for landmark evaluation.
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Old June 18th, 2013, 04:06 AM   #272
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Yeah, I like 1LP very much, but of all the buildings in Manhattan to demolish, you choose the Singer Building? Come now...
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According to the user called Robert Walpole there is already a plan to demolish the ugly white lowrises for something taller, including the 20-something floor apartment building further south that has a brown blank wall with white stripes.

In terms of architecture, there is a building far, far worse than 1LP in Lower Manhattan, and it is called Home Insurance Plaza.

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Losing 22 Thames is definitely disheartening, but it's not like 825 buildings were just added to Bed-Stuy's Historic District in April or anything. Oh wait...

825 Buildings Joined The Bed-Stuy Historic District Today
Tuesday, April 16, 2013, by Hana R. Alberts

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Old June 18th, 2013, 04:38 AM   #275
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Just found out that on my trip to NYC next month that I'll be going by 22 Thames Street (the red brick building). I'll post some pics.
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Losing 22 Thames is definitely disheartening, but it's not like 825 buildings were just added to Bed-Stuy's Historic District in April or anything. Oh wait...
OMG, don't you read?

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The argument of this thread doesn't deal with outer boroughs, but mainly with Manhattan and especially its busiest districts.
Besides, 825 working class brownstones aren't something which should have had a higher priority than 22 Thames and its former grandeur. It's not like someone will buy-up and clear the land to build tower blocks. That lesson was learned.
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OMG, don't you read?
Don't worry got that covered. A mere 240 properties. And before you say, it's only a proposal, an area just to the south was just rezoned to allow for higher density buildings, and the basic agreement was that it would only be rezoned if this went through, along with another expansion of a historic neighborhood further south.

Landmarks Begins Prep for South Village Landmarking Vote
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Besides, 825 working class brownstones aren't something which should have had a higher priority than 22 Thames and its former grandeur. It's not like someone will buy-up and clear the land to build tower blocks. That lesson was learned.
The same argument could've been made about any area that is now landmarked anywhere in the city 30 years ago. When my parents moved to the West Village in the 70s it was a dump, and you could've said the same thing. No need to landmark anything, no one would ever develop this neighborhood. Now look at it.
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I don't understand why this building was able to slip through the cracks. It's clearly more historical than the post-war Park Avenue buildings recently submitted for landmark evaluation.
Its actually pretty transparent: its politics. Both 22 Thames and the former American Stock Exchange building were bought by one developer with plans to redevelop and build a tower. It was determined that the American Stock Exchange building was a landmark and 22 Thames could be demo'd. Not only is the ASE building newer, it also isn't as aesthetically pleasing (IMO). It boils down to the fact that Bloomberg's team didn't want to piss off his developer brethren. It really is a shame and a big loss to the neighborhood. There are a few other really nice buildings in the immediate vicinity, however they aren't landmarked either.
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Losing 22 Thames is definitely disheartening, but it's not like 825 buildings were just added to Bed-Stuy's Historic District in April or anything. Oh wait...

825 Buildings Joined The Bed-Stuy Historic District Today
Tuesday, April 16, 2013, by Hana R. Alberts
Great news. Bed-Sty is becoming a hot neighborhood, this will prevent developers from tearing down old brownstones for crappy apartment buildings.

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Don't worry got that covered. A mere 240 properties. And before you say, it's only a proposal, an area just to the south was just rezoned to allow for higher density buildings, and the basic agreement was that it would only be rezoned if this went through, along with another expansion of a historic neighborhood further south.

Landmarks Begins Prep for South Village Landmarking Vote
Friday, April 5, 2013, by Sara Polsky
Overall, this is good news but I hope they don't kill the funkiness of this neighborhood. Landmarks is strict with storefronts, etc - this will be a challenge for future businesses.
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Old June 18th, 2013, 03:09 PM   #280
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In 2008, Thor Equities and owner Joe $itt tore down The Coney Island Bank, The Shore Hotel and Henderson's Music Hall for no other reason than to prevent them from being landmarked.

The Shore Hotel just prior to demolition:



Henderson's Music Hall just prior to Demolition:



The Coney Island Bank just prior to demolition:

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