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Old February 26th, 2014, 03:59 AM   #441
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Quite the opposite. I love NYC and its history. That's why I care, why I opened this thread and that's why I'm forthrightly denouncing crimes on its architecture - not the city. Because that way NYC is losing what I love about it, every year a little more of it.

Btw, NYC should consider re-introducing its Zoning Resolution. It'd immediately bring more slender, set-backed and beautiful skyscraper designs to the city again - the kind of ones that made everyone love it.


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F..._City_1932.jpg

And it'd drastically improve the walkability and street level quality of the city, compared to the massive, brutal blocks often built since the 60s. More sun, air, beauty and views for any resident and visitor, even up in the clouds.

it will be done eventually. there are bunch of glass boxes around Park avenue from 1950s-1960s that can be taken down without no one even noticing it and something way more significant built there as long as zoning allows much higher buildings.
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Old February 26th, 2014, 04:02 AM   #442
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Are they INSANE?! That building is remarkable! How could they? It makes me so sad to see something like that go.
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Closer look of it (to the left).


https://ssl.panoramio.com/photo/82443460

It's completely crazy that they are still taking down buildings like this.


they are insane in this particular case. the building behind the church is an incredible example of truly New York City architecture from the 1920s and should be saved. No questions about it. here some pictures I did from the outside of this building.

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Old February 26th, 2014, 02:02 PM   #443
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Unbelievable.

Now someone tell me again NYC is NOT sacrificing its heritage!
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Old February 26th, 2014, 03:54 PM   #444
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Unbelievable.

Now someone tell me again NYC is NOT sacrificing its heritage!
In NYC the percentage of landmarked areas and buildings is growing, not the opposite.

This is what was landmarked during the 2013:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_End_Avenue

http://www.gvshp.org/_gvshp/preserva...e-12-17-13.htm

And Park Avenue is getting a historic district too.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/lpc/download...M_20131126.pdf

Sorry, the sky is not falling.
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Old February 26th, 2014, 04:46 PM   #445
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Most buildings should be treated like disposable objects that reach and end-life and are replaced by newer specimens. Only a very small subset of buildings should be preserved for posterity, and never in a way that locks-in whole districts into styles of the past.
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Old February 26th, 2014, 10:18 PM   #446
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I would tend to agree, however there are exceptions which we need to be aware of - destroying all but a few buildings in a wholly medieval area like Elm Hill in Norwich would be a disaster. And while I believe in dynamism and that new should not be apologetic I also am a strong believer in aesthetics. You can have new buildings but plonking a concrete bunker in a handsome area is not a good idea.
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Old February 28th, 2014, 06:47 AM   #447
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Unbelievable.

Now someone tell me again NYC is NOT sacrificing its heritage!
lets put it this way - we are very very far from a point of catastrophe, but things need to change since certain places deserve better. besides what is being proposed as a replacement is far inferior in design and detail from what is there now. basically it is all about MONEY - if you buy something that is not protected, you have a right to get rid of it and build something 4 times bigger. bigger means more money. I have to say that capitalism and greed is the perfect motivation not just for horrible things but also for good ones as well, but a balance need to be maintained.

building above needs to be saved. maybe we can do something about it. I need to make some inquiries.

btw do you know that they want to demolish Rizzoli on 57th street and build a super tall there? all three have to go according to plan.


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Jeez. Is there something like a free and independent (read: non-official/-public) association for the protection of heritage in NYC?
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btw do you know that they want to demolish Rizzoli on 57th street and build a super tall there? all three have to go according to plan.
That might just be the most beautiful bookshop I've ever seen. They're not planning on demolishing it anytime soon are they? Might get to visit NY within the next couple of years and I'd hate to miss out on a place like that.
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Old March 2nd, 2014, 01:24 AM   #450
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Big ole wannabe.

This looks like a huge wanna be Seagram's Building. I do not think the Seagram's Building has anything to worry about.
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Old March 22nd, 2014, 11:29 AM   #451
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Dunno about you, but for me they're ruining once classy gotham-like Manhattan with all
those bland boxes that are just slightly better than commieblocks and the eeky gagatecture:

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We could just as well be looking at a random Chinese metropolis.


Back then: a truly imposing and elegant skyline. Worth being called the world's capital for its sole look.
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Samuel H. Gottscho - New York City views. Midtown skyline from Central Park at 85th Street. April 16, 1931. by cobravictor, on Flickr

Not anymore. Transgalactic visitors would laugh their arses off, in the face of our lost sense of aesthetics.
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Old March 26th, 2014, 05:22 PM   #452
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New Classical NYC Towers

This is how far more contemporary Manhattan projects should look like,
respecting and developing the city's uncomparable skyscraper history:

Current New Classical Robert A. M. Stern highrise projects for New York

15 Central Park West, 30 Park Place, 220 Central Park South, 520 Park Avenue

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Stern should even go farther, add modern ornamentation, sculptures and feel free to innovate organically (compare to GE Building). My guess is investors are the ones who interfere once it might look too classical or Art Nouveauesque innovative.

Btw I'm perfectly fine with having a setbacked or soaring Tower Verre or One57 from time to time.
But please stop erecting all those boxy, bulky, unproportioned and eeky gagatecture abominations like 432 Park Ave, 610 Lexington Ave and 56 Leonard! THANK YOU!
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Old March 27th, 2014, 12:16 AM   #453
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I'm going to go even further

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And erbse is funding all those ornaments

His fixation over historical architecture is ridiculous. Even in mostly-protected Europe, the trend is to build new and protect old, not build fake-old (I'm not talking about reconstruction). Why? Beacause It's
1. fake
2. very often not really as good as old
3. expensive
We are lucky Stern is good

NYC has many great architects and projects. Most of those towers (including 432 and 57) are top-notch, much better than asian average. What NYC needs to do is to protect old more carefully while going forward with new grand project like Hudson Yards, and It'll be fine.
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Old March 27th, 2014, 12:43 AM   #455
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And erbse is funding all those ornaments

His fixation over historical architecture is ridiculous. Even in mostly-protected Europe, the trend is to build new and protect old, not build fake-old (I'm not talking about reconstruction). Why? Beacause It's
1. fake
2. very often not really as good, as old.
We are lucky Stern is good.

NYC has many great architects and projects. Most of those towers (including 432 and 57) are top-notch, much better than asian average. What NYC needs to do is to protect old more carefully while going forward with new grand project like Hudson Yards, and It'll be fine.
How is it fake? You do realize that all historic buildings have once been new, right? Are they fake too?
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Classical architecture never ceased to exist. It's only stupid modernist ****tards that wanna make you believe that. Form is function. Classical appeal is the numb's heal.

Anyway, I'm rooting for NYC to finally take the next step and reconstruct buildings. Towers of Newspaper Row would be perfect for a start (#453).

Perhaps, one day, we'll also see the Singer and even Penn Station coming back. NYC's 19th and 20th century history is beyond comparison in the world, so some of its biggest gems could be brought back to life. It'd definitely give the city more depth for what it is, what it was and what it can be. Ruthless growth at the cost of Manhattan's historical and classical appeal isn't the way to go imho.

Dexter, I'm nowhere near being fixated, it's just that obviously your way of reading is somewhat angled. I said I'm perfectly fine with well-proportioned modernist towers where they have their place. Asia has galores of great quality towers (whatever "Asia" means here). No idea how you're measuring the "average" here, of course Manhattan is a prime location that you can't compare with some Chinese provincial city.
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Dunno about you, but for me they're ruining once classy gotham-like Manhattan with all
those bland boxes that are just slightly better than commieblocks and the eeky gagatecture:

image hosted on flickr

©[email protected] http://www.flickr.com/photos/ilnycilnyc/11622327315/

We could just as well be looking at a random Chinese metropolis.


Back then: a truly imposing and elegant skyline. Worth being called the world's capital for its sole look.
image hosted on flickr

Samuel H. Gottscho - New York City views. Midtown skyline from Central Park at 85th Street. April 16, 1931. by cobravictor, on Flickr

Not anymore. Transgalactic visitors would laugh their arses off, in the face of our lost sense of aesthetics.
Wow! These two photos tell the whole story of the decline of the truly unique New York skyline. What a beautiful NYC was in the early 50's before bland modernism took hold. Of course the city could not stand still but the indiscriminate placing of rectangular boxes and now the latest crop of could-be-anywhere banalities have ruined this great city forever.
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And erbse is funding all those ornaments

His fixation over historical architecture is ridiculous. Even in mostly-protected Europe, the trend is to build new and protect old, not build fake-old (I'm not talking about reconstruction). Why? Beacause It's
1. fake
2. very often not really as good as old
3. expensive
We are lucky Stern is good

NYC has many great architects and projects. Most of those towers (including 432 and 57) are top-notch, much better than asian average. What NYC needs to do is to protect old more carefully while going forward with new grand project like Hudson Yards, and It'll be fine.
Or architects could actually learn a bit about proportions!
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But please stop erecting all those boxy, bulky, unproportioned and eeky gagatecture abominations like 432 Park Ave, 610 Lexington Ave and 56 Leonard! THANK YOU!
56 Leonard is an abomination?



It's absolutely amazing.

Period.
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