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Old April 1st, 2014, 04:51 AM   #481
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And so are pretty much all the other newly built towers in central Manhattan. It's not like building this way is considerably more expensive than building e.g. something deconstructivist (quite the opposite actually). It's just that architects, urban planners, politicians, journalists and other lobby groups influence both the general discourse and investors in favour of "modernist" architecture. This is going on for about 90 years now.

I think it's about time to get rid of this habit and open the discourse for more traditional approaches, in line with our thousands of years of architectural history.
I'm not saying "build everything in traditional architecture styles!". I'm saying "build more in traditional architecture styles and respect our pre-modernist architectural heritage more!". This is especially directed towards NYC, as it remains one of the most influential places on Earth for contemporary architecture discourse.
I think about 5 years ago I read an article about a study that says that office owners are more interested in glass covered buildings since it is a world standard of strength and innovation. I disagree with this rather narrow and shallow approach, but look - China and Dubai as well as other smaller centers of high-scraper development are building almost entirely from glass.
Without arguing if this is a right choice all I can say is that it seems that developers prefer glass.

they also like the most - box type of building since it is the most economically feasible and given NYC strict grid of streets of the same size it is logical that they will mostly built boxes here. architectural elements and unique forms are true rarity these days.

But I think there are grounds for some joy since the amount of new buildings built using "old style materials" is actually growing. So I hope that maybe fashion started to get tired of just glass and decided to look at a more traditional materials.
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^ I think there's a simple solution for Manhattan. Just reintroduce the Zoning Resolution.
It did so much for skyscraper design, think of all the beautifully soaring setbacked towers of the 20s! Newly built towers will automatically become so much better, no matter what facade developers choose. Btw, you can also do wonders with a glass facade.

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Of course most of the people want to see old buildings, but I am not sure that they would come to see old-styled buildings.
One day the newly builts are old, too. Of course you can't "create" history. But you can create aesthetics. And people come to see aesthetically pleasing places, and also to live there. Take Thimphu in Bhutan for example . It's almost completely new, except for a few monasteries, yet it looks traditionally East Asian. It follows the Ten Principles of Intelligent Urbanism. It's become a regional tourist magnet already and might become a global one once.
Same goes for Quianmen Street in Beijing, that place didn't exist 10 years ago. Right after Forbidden City, it's the most important tourist area of the city already.

Also, take a look at the old towns of Freiburg, Danzig, Breslau, Munich or Ypres. Or Warsaw for that matter, which is even UNESCO World Heritage. All these were pretty much reduced to rubble during the war, but reconstructed with original and historicising facades. Well done, what else to say.
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Old April 3rd, 2014, 05:35 PM   #483
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sorry for posting it here
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Greystone buildings to be demolished in a 'matter of months'
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more pictures of the building are here. pleased take a look and act now

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office of the governor of NJ please write and call there

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IT's a psychiatric derelict psychiatric institution where countless horrors and wrong treatments that damaged people were administered and human rights of patients were violated for decades.

Why should it be not razed to the ground?
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The historical buildings that matter, ESB, Chrysler, Woolworth etc. will always be there as well as many other art deco. NYC doesn't need to stay in the 1930's it needs to enter the 21st century and build huge skyscrapers everywhere which is precisely what it's doing
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IT's a psychiatric derelict psychiatric institution where countless horrors and wrong treatments that damaged people were administered and human rights of patients were violated for decades.

Why should it be not razed to the ground?
Despite what was done there - it is not the building which was wrong in that, but people. Besides these methods were considered normal back in the day and never constituted anything outside the regular practice. Keep in mind this was for criminally insane and there are more urban legends about this place than real truth.
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Greystone should be preserved, and all we should lock up everyone there who thinks this is justied:

I mean, it's already torture enough to be in a place like Parsippany, New Jersey.
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Don't mind Suburbanist's posts. He'd raze places like Versailles, Sanssouci and the White House too most probably, as evil criminals resided there. Ah well, actually just because these are classical.

John Flint, of course I'll sign. This is a great complex that needs to be revitalized.
It immediately reminded me of the Berlin-Buch sanatorium that currently gets a lovely renovation to become high-quality residentials.
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I'm sure he would raze any official residence, because judging from the verbiage of his posts, he clearly advocates a one-world government.
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Don't mind Suburbanist's posts. He'd raze places like Versailles, Sanssouci and the White House too most probably, as evil criminals resided there. Ah well, actually just because these are classical.

John Flint, of course I'll sign. This is a great complex that needs to be revitalized.
It immediately reminded me of the Berlin-Buch sanatorium that currently gets a lovely renovation to become high-quality residentials.
Suburbanist probably Applauded the Destruction of Penn Station, the Singer Building, and Park Row
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This article is really mindflipping, especially for New York/ers:

How to Build Skyscrapers by Robert Adam
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Seriously, NYC. This looks just wrong in so many ways.


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Current supertall projects visualized.
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It It's going to be so visible, at least have it give a good impression on the skyline, and not look like a sore thumb!
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Indeed. Regularly, design visualizations only pop up when everything's under way already, site's cleared (of historical buildings possibly) - here's your shiny glitzy new tower, have fun with it, ja. Why just shut up and accept this madness?

This is an example NYC could and should follow:
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London: We need a Skyline Commission!

A Skyline Commission would ensure a holistic view of tall building development in the capital, says Peter Murray.

The commission could provide design review, taking into account historic context as well as new buildings emerging in the vicinity.

It could help to ensure that as London goes through this period of unprecedented growth and stretched local authority resources, we do not repeat the mistakes of the 1960s.
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SKyline commision is just a way for a bunch of overzealous architects who couldn't win tall building contracts themselves to impose their views on what those who have the contacts and the money behind them choose to build.
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As if it'd be any different currently.
It's working pretty well in Frankfurt, as you can see.
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