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Old April 8th, 2015, 03:57 AM   #621
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You're right, the Times Sq. theater district was always an area where advertising on buildings was part of the scenery. The irony of this however is that today there is more advertising than ever before but Times Sq. and the adjoining area is a pale shadow of it's former self as all the great Movie Palaces (in addition to the live theaters) that made it such a world wide attraction have now gone (only RCMH remains on 6th Ave.)
Yes. I will be posting about some of the old film palaces - and they were palaces in a way. Radio City is still a wonderful example of art deco - but even that theater is no longer used for films. It used to be the number one theater in the country for movies. It was the most prestigious place for a film to make its debut.

One difficulty is that Manhattan has nowhere to go but up. So it is very rare for a theater or a hotel to be built now that is a single story structure. They are all part of office buildings, which are not beautiful in the way the old theaters were - outside or inside.

One example is the old Criterion on Broadway. That was a true movie palace and was the premiere theater for so many high-quality films for decades. Now it is just another multiplex.

However, there are some exceptions - and they are not theaters that show films. They are theaters that house Broadway plays and musicals. Several of them do still exist, and are often quite beautiful inside.
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Old April 14th, 2015, 11:18 AM   #622
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^ I'd love to see that Timothy! Thank your for your enlightening insights so far, a lot of things I didn't know about.


But for once, we'll look at a promising development, a way to go. For a welcome change: NYC obviously is able to do (partly) reconstructions of historical buildings, great!
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Harlem's Historic Corn Exchange Building Has Risen Again

The Corn Exchange building on 125th Street revealed its new facade over the weekend, and Harlem + Bespoke got some photographs. The Queen Anne-style structure, which lost its upper floors in 2009 due to safety concerns, has been rebuilt by Danois Architects and Artimus Construction, with the Landmark Preservation Commission signing off and ensuring that the new structure is largely faithful to the historic former design. (As you can see from an old rendering, the design is much better than the one the developers first proposed.) The building is now looking to fill its retail and commercial space.

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http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...#post123018813
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Old April 30th, 2015, 09:01 AM   #623
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Interesting read:
How Some of NYC's First Landmarked Buildings Became Rubble (Curbed NY)
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Old May 3rd, 2015, 07:51 PM   #624
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Thanks for the link!
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Old June 4th, 2015, 01:01 PM   #625
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Regent takes us on a walk along Park Avenue...

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I have walked Park Avenue, considering I'm not stupid enough to think the picture you show with 432 PP is the street itself.

Also, I'm not referring to it being out of place architecturally. If an area already has varying different generations of buildings, it's good to have a mixture of old and new. However, when you replace the old with something of inferior quality, that's an atrocity on its own right.

Park Avenue buildings closer to 432 PA...

417 Park Avenue

http://www.bhsmanagement.com/Photos/Property/94/0/500

Ritz Tower

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ark_57_jeh.JPG

470 Park Avenue

http://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.c...0-park-ave.jpg

480 Park Avenue

https://www.flickr.com/photos/168019...7632023044535/

485 Park Avenue

http://www.bhsmanagement.com/Photos/Property/108/0/500

Why would anybody approve of replacing this with such a repulsive eyesore?
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...1737714&page=5
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Old July 11th, 2015, 07:11 AM   #626
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514 w 24th Street - "The Fitzroy"

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Again, a historical block vanishes for another could-be-anywhere-style tower:

Demolition for glassy One Vanderbilt Place in Manhattan (461m)

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The replacement isn't bad at all, but I'd have favoured by miles to see the old facades incorporated or the new tower replacing something of inferior quality/post-war instead of these classy ones:




http://newyorkyimby.com/2015/10/new-...anderbilt.html


In addition, One Vanderbilt will be too close to Chrysler Building and pretty much hide it from different views.
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Old October 17th, 2015, 03:59 PM   #628
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This building could replace the horrible modern building located behind the current location of vanderbilt building. They would have to keep all beatiful old buildings and replace a lot of ugly buildings from 60's to 90's jaja
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Old October 18th, 2015, 02:42 AM   #629
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This building could replace the horrible modern building located behind the current location of vanderbilt building. They would have to keep all beatiful old buildings and replace a lot of ugly buildings from 60's to 90's jaja
It's hard to believe in this day and age that NYC continues to destroy it's magnificent heritage - I've always admired this building, classic NYC and of course of the highest quality from the early 20th c. In London some destruction still goes on but more important buildings tend to get saved, mainly from public protests. Central European cities are rebuilding their lost heritage and they will be the winners in the end, these glass and steel boxes so beloved by architects at the moment are totally anonymous and are springing up all over the globe only their size gives any impact, design wise they are completely bland.
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Old November 14th, 2015, 03:19 AM   #630
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This building could replace the horrible modern building located behind the current location of vanderbilt building. They would have to keep all beatiful old buildings and replace a lot of ugly buildings from 60's to 90's jaja
You mean 330 Madison Avenue? It was built in 1964 as the Sperry & Hutchinson Building and renovated a few years ago.

The building to the right (north) of the One Vanderbilt site is the Bank of America Plaza at 335 Madison Avenue. It was originally the New York Biltmore Hotel, and completely gutted in 1981. If it was restored to its original 1912 splendor, I bet it wouldn't be on the chopping block at the moment. It's a shame the fact most the investments go to buildings which don't really need any in the first place.
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Old November 14th, 2015, 09:22 PM   #631
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No, I refer to 335 madison avenue. Although, it would be better than the vanderbilt tower replace the horrible, horrible, horrible 120 park avenue tower.
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The Chrysler Building will forever be a landmark. You'll still be able to see it from the north, east and south. Its placement on the island shouldn't allow for any privileges involving height restrictions. One Vanderbilt is progress for the city. It is regrettable that some nice prewars have to be lost but it will be the flagship office tower that will liven up this corner of midtown east. Think about it, its the first office tower in Manhattan that will be taller than the World Trade Center. It has a sleek, spire peaked design to boot. It will be the Grand Central Tower. A landmark on the skyline to identify the location of Grand Central Terminal.


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Old November 15th, 2015, 03:18 AM   #633
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For quite some time, I've been consistently saying the facade of the Vanderbilt Avenue Building's (51 East 42nd Street) six floor base should be incorporated into One Vanderbilt Place. The proposed chunky cantilever and glass box are flawed.



Admittedly, I also made a couple grammatical and historical errors, but that's irrelevant.

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No, I refer to 335 madison avenue. Although, it would be better than the vanderbilt tower replace the horrible, horrible, horrible 120 park avenue tower.
The latter site was supposed to have gotten one of the tallest towers in NYC after the Edwardian Era Belmont Hotel was demolished in 1931. With the economy back then, it obviously never happened, and instead the decent but less impressive low-rise Airlines Building took its place. I don't see 120 Park Avenue being redeveloped anytime soon, but a classical tower complementary with most of the block would be wonderful. Also, some classic infill replacing 42 East 41st Street, the only other detracting turd in the block.

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Old November 20th, 2015, 04:22 AM   #634
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The Chrysler Building will forever be a landmark. You'll still be able to see it from the north, east and south. Its placement on the island shouldn't allow for any privileges involving height restrictions. One Vanderbilt is progress for the city. It is regrettable that some nice prewars have to be lost but it will be the flagship office tower that will liven up this corner of midtown east. Think about it, its the first office tower in Manhattan that will be taller than the World Trade Center. It has a sleek, spire peaked design to boot. It will be the Grand Central Tower. A landmark on the skyline to identify the location of Grand Central Terminal.

I disagree - Grand Central doesn't need a landmark to tell people where it is. It is a landmark itself. And so many of the pre-wars have been lost already.

In what sense will it be a flagship for midtown east? Do you really think central Manhattan needs to be 'livened up'? The spire is acceptable and it is an improvement on the ugly boxes of the post-war decades. But it cannot be compared to the elegance of art-deco or the magnificence of Beaux Arts.

Midtown has to be open to constant change. That is New York. But there has to be a balance and a regard for tradition. And beauty.
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Old November 20th, 2015, 04:28 AM   #635
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It's hard to believe in this day and age that NYC continues to destroy it's magnificent heritage - I've always admired this building, classic NYC and of course of the highest quality from the early 20th c. In London some destruction still goes on but more important buildings tend to get saved, mainly from public protests. Central European cities are rebuilding their lost heritage and they will be the winners in the end, these glass and steel boxes so beloved by architects at the moment are totally anonymous and are springing up all over the globe only their size gives any impact, design wise they are completely bland.
There has been a lot of destruction. But it isn't entirely bad news. Many wonderful buildings and landmarks have been saved

http://www.nyc.gov/html/lpc/html/home/home.shtml

http://www.nypap.org/content/new-yor...-landmarks-law

The work goes on. Most of it has been done since 1965 after that irreplaceable loss of the old Penn Station. New Yorkers are fighting to keep the heritage of the city.
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Old December 30th, 2015, 01:49 PM   #636
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I'm rarely defending modernist buildings when they're in danger as most of them that are torn down are bland, uninspiring or ugly.
But this is an elegant building that definitely should stay, it's criminal to tear down such an elegant and timeless gem!

What are they thinking, isn't this landmarked?
They need to find another site, there's so many fugly non-architectural lowrises all-around or simpler buildings
they could build atop or behind their facades...

NEW YORK | 666 5th Ave. | 427m | 1400ft | ? fl | Pro

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This is one of the first International Style skyscrapers in NY, built almost 60 years ago, and its facade is actually pretty unique. What a waste





It's completely ridiculous to demolish skyscrapers like this when there are still dilapidated lowrises to build on.
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Some history of 666 Fifth Avenue
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Original 1957 interior by Isamu Noguchi, apart from the floors, which used to be white marble with a black and red marble grid-like pattern. They now appear to be granite.

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^ And what stood there before... Oh well.

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This stunning mansion at 660 Fifth was razed to make way for the current tower.


In case something better follows up, a loss won't be that bad. But still, there are more non-descript buildings that could go before. Wishful thinking, but not always.

Anyway, Manhattan could be much more beautiful nowadays with more of the grand mansions left. They would also transport more sunlight to the streets. Large swathes of Midtown are overly built-up and obstructed, it's not that pleasant anymore. Impressive, but certainly not such a nice place to spend some time in the streets. It feels like walking at the bottom of the canyon, while we all know it's much more pleasant to walk atop or in the mid-range.
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Old December 31st, 2015, 04:21 AM   #638
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There's still plenty of good stuff in NYC


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YIMBY: What New York City Landmarks Were Designated In 2015?



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This year marked the 50th anniversary of the New York City landmarks law, which empowered the Landmarks Preservation Commission to designate landmarks and historic districts in the five boroughs. With 2015 coming to an end, we thought it would be a good time to review what the commission has protected this year. Six individual landmarks and four historic districts were designated, adding up to protection for over 2,000 more structures.
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My problem with 1 Vanderbilt is that it takes away an interesting side street that was 43rd with the old pre war structures which all had small commercial spaces (a bar/pub, a cafe, a barbershop, a restaurant etc.). In exchange we get this glass base with a huge lobby that doesn't engage the passerby. The old scene is still visible on Google streetview, I'd do a before and after shot if I could.

Judging by the renders, we'll likely get one huge bank or a boring pharmacy as the main commercial tenant. This is the problem with new builds in this city. They don't offer small commercial opportunities. The city continues to lose the small shops in favor of chains.
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