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Old May 20th, 2016, 03:52 PM   #661
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In the past, artistic elements were more limited by technology. Hence people placed a lot of their attention in architectural details. With TV, computers, 3D printing and what else, we no longer need to keep cluttering buildings as one of our few sources of enjoyment or artistic expressions. We can make blank fašades and resort to larger-than-life external elements as we wish. Views from afar or from above become more important than the point-specific pedestrian experience. It's a fact of life.
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In the past, artistic elements were more limited by technology. Hence people placed a lot of their attention in architectural details. With TV, computers, 3D printing and what else, we no longer need to keep cluttering buildings as one of our few sources of enjoyment or artistic expressions. We can make blank fašades and resort to larger-than-life external elements as we wish. Views from afar or from above become more important than the point-specific pedestrian experience. It's a fact of life.
Placing 'It's a fact of life.' at the end of something doesn't make it, well, a fact of life. Have pedestrians ceased to exist? Do the public no longer admire detail and artistry in buildings? Of course they haven't and polls time and time again have shown that they do still enjoy those things, so why are views from afar more important than the views experienced by those actually living in the area, and why is it 'a fact of life'?
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^ Exactly! But don't be bothered by Suburbanist all too much, he's one of the most extremist modernists on the forum and doesn't care a second for human sensitivities.


Anyway, another still charming corner in danger of getting razed: 339 Fifth Avenue



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Some things very important and relevant to this thread were said here:

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I don't think anyone is for a museum city. But the reason we want to preserve old structures is precisely because the stuff that's replacing is very rarely up-to-par. I don't think anyone's crying about what preceded 111 West 57th. We got something incredible out of it. But I don't want to destroy old Art Deco and Grand Central era gems only to be replaced by a taller blue glass box. And unfortunately, that's what we seem to be getting.

Look at what's being built behind Trinity Church. A condo tower full of dark blue cladding. How original. It's taller than what was there before. But it's clearly a downgrade. People don't come to New York to see cookie-cutter condos and blue boxes. They can get that in Frankfurt or Toronto or Seoul.

They come for the Art Deco, the feel of Gotham, the old clocks, the grand lobbies, the golden domes, the limestone gems, the gothic spires and the intersection between old pre-War stunners and architecturally avant-garde modern supertalls. I've yet to meet someone who says, "I love New York because it's building tons of non-descript boxes." So as a city, New York should treasure those qualities that make it unique.

People say, "what's wrong with demolishing 5 out of the 100 pre-wars? They're all the same thing!"
It's that kind of slippery slope that allows developers to see no problem with going further. By fighting for the Rizzolis and the Roosevelt Hotels, you are ensuring that developers think twice before making plans to raze historic structures. Considering how inept the Landmark Preservation Commission is, it's clear that the public is the one that has to protect these structures and to keep up the pressure.
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a landmark designation hearing was held on several architecturally significant midtown east buildings.

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Couldn't find an appropriate thread for this news, but apparently, New York also likes to sacrifice its historic hotels for more residential condominiums.

A plan to convert most of the hotel rooms of the Waldorf Astoria New York into condominiums was announced in late June of 2016 by the hotel's new owners, Ambang Insurance Group. Starting in the spring of 2017, the hotel will be closed for the renovation and conversion.

It is said that around 1,100 of the Waldorf-Astoria's 1,400 rooms will be lost. I think that counts as a loss of another large hotel for New York City (even though the Waldorf-Astoria isn't being torn down), and therefore this condo conversion will hurt NYC's hotel inventory. Some may see this as similar to when part of the Plaza Hotel was converted to condos a few years ago.

http://ny.curbed.com/2016/6/27/12039...losure-3-years
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Couldn't find an appropriate thread for this news, but apparently, New York also likes to sacrifice its historic hotels for more residential condominiums.

A plan to convert most of the hotel rooms of the Waldorf Astoria New York into condominiums was announced in late June of 2016 by the hotel's new owners, Ambang Insurance Group. Starting in the spring of 2017, the hotel will be closed for the renovation and conversion.

It is said that around 1,100 of the Waldorf-Astoria's 1,400 rooms will be lost. I think that counts as a loss of another large hotel for New York City (even though the Waldorf-Astoria isn't being torn down), and therefore this condo conversion will hurt NYC's hotel inventory. Some may see this as similar to when part of the Plaza Hotel was converted to condos a few years ago.

http://ny.curbed.com/2016/6/27/12039...losure-3-years
Waldorf-Astoria is also a protected landmark. So there's little that developers can do to the interior or exterior without the approval of the NYCLPC
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Another pleasant revitalisation of NY's industrial architecture:

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^ Exactly! But don't be bothered by Suburbanist all too much, he's one of the most extremist modernists on the forum and doesn't care a second for human sensitivities.


Anyway, another still charming corner in danger of getting razed: 339 Fifth Avenue



See more: http://newyorkyimby.com/2015/02/firs...th-avenue.html

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...#post132553453
To be fair, the replacement looks good, but maybe not good enough for a new building and its location across the street from the Empire State Building. Also, I can't understand the setbacks still somewhat exposing the blank walls of its otherwise handsome neighbors, when the opportunity exists to coherently fill in the corner. I can understand the argument it's some RAMSA ripoff, but what better firm to copy! Would you rather see a ripoff of Vi˝oly or BIG's shit heralded as original?

It's certainly better than 325 5th Avenue, which is flanked by low-rise rat traps and a parking garage entrance which were not included in the redevelopment. 160 Madison Avenue was first supposed to look beautiful, but changed to a boorish glass prism after more land assembly while still shy away from the shit building at 18 East 33rd Street. The Dylan on Fifth to the south is another example with a bizarre setback after the first floor, and its crummy neighbor at 313 5th Avenue will be difficult to redevelop in the near future because it's sandwiched by the beautiful 315 5th Avenue.

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Imho Midtown Manhattan shouldn't lose all its classical low- and midrises. The last charme is about to vanish and it all seems like a brutal concrete jungle pretty soon.

Apart from that, the classical shape of 339 Fifth Avenue is to be welcomed (even being a dubious Stern ripoff), but it seems they'll go for a super cheap looking facade. I can't accept that. Despite that, I really like the historical lowrise and would rather see it included in any new development there (even when it's just for facadism).
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I agree Midtown's mid-rises are underappreciated gems which must be preserved at all costs. I was even annoyed with the loss of 221 and 225 57th Street for ambiguous and constant reiterations of Central Park Tower.

I would also argue for preservation of low-rises like mansions, churches, and social clubs, but it's usually the buildings I referenced as nondescript and shitty excuses for brownstones which are more grit than charm for the area. The Demarest Building certainly isn't, but it's also no Benjamin N. Duke House appropriate for TDR. Still, restoring the facades as a grand lobby for the lower levels of the new building would be wonderful.
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Erbse, if you agree I think this thread should be named the 'New York Historical Preservation' thread and it should become a repository of news regarding historic preservation efforts in the city. Let me know if you agree and I can message a mod to change the title.

BTW: Good news today!

Landmarks Commission Calendars Sullivan-Thompson Historic District



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Manhattan is on its way to getting a new historic district. On Tuesday, the Landmarks Preservation Commission calendared designation of the Sullivan-Thompson Historic District.

The district would include an area bound by West Houston Street on the north end and Watts Street on the south end, and bound by Sixth Avenue (Avenue of the Americas) on the west side and Thompson Street on the east side. Most of the eastern edge of the district would border the SoHo-Cast Iron Historic District Extension. The northwest portion would bump up against the Charlton-King-Vandam Historic District. The MacDougal-Sullivan Gardens Historic District and South Village Historic District are both just a little north.

This new district would include 157 buildings. The area started as rowhouses in the early 19th century. It was mostly residential from the 1810s to the 1830s. A wave of immigration in the 1860s led to the enlargement of many houses and the replacement of some with tenements.

Twenty percent of the proposed district was constructed before 1840 and 15 percent was constructed after 1945. It includes five already-designated landmarks.

LPC Chair Meenakshi Srinivasan said there was a “very compelling persuasive basis” for this designating this area, which she called a “fascinating enclave” with a “distinct sense of place.”

“The move does not come a moment too soon, as this part of the South Village has seen intensifying development pressure in recent years, loss of historic buildings, and increasingly out-of-scale development,” said Andrew Berman, executive director of the Greenwich Village Society for Historic Preservation (GVSHP), in a statement. “Adding to the concern, in recent years developers like Donald Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner has bought properties in the neighborhood such as 156 Sullivan Street, formerly the home of beloved neighborhood institution Joe’s Dairy.”
http://newyorkyimby.com/2016/11/land...-district.html

By November 29, we'll have a new 157-building historic district under protection!!

The neighborhood is STUNNING by the way: https://www.google.si/maps/place/Pri...023692!6m1!1e1
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The exterior has been protected for awhile. Looks like the Waldorf's interiors are now timeless.

Landmarks Preservation Commission Calendars Designation Of Waldorf-Astoria Hotel Interiors







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In June, YIMBY reported that major changes are ahead for the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel. After yesterday’s vote by the Landmarks Preservation Commission to calendar portions of the Art Deco skyscraper’s interior, there are unlikely to be too many changes that mar its historic design.

The Waldorf is located at 301 Park Avenue, a full block bound by East 49th Street, Lexington Avenue, and East 50th Street. Designed by Schultze and Weaver and built between 1929 and 1931, it stands 625 feet tall and once boasted over 2,000 guestrooms. In 1993, the building was designated an individual landmark, which means its exterior falls under the protection of the LPC.

The hotel is presently a 1,413-key facility. In 2014, the China-based Anbang Insurance Group announced plans to purchase it, closing the deal a year later. This year, Anbang revealed that up to 1,100 of the rooms will be converted to condominiums, retaining 300 to 500 hotel rooms. The conversion, which could cost $1 billion, will mean closing the hotel for up to three years, starting at the end of March 2017.

The conversion has been the impetus for a new examination of the building’s interiors. The Historic Districts Council recently organized self-guided tours and preservation groups pushed for designation, now on track to be a reality. On Tuesday, the LPC calendared interior spaces for designation, mostly on the first and third floors.
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^ Good decision there!


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@701 Seventh Ave:
Too bad an old, classical building had to make way for that Marriott Hotel at Times Square. In the future, they should rather integrate the old buildings into new complexes, or at least the facades.





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Generally speaking, many of the new skyscrapers would look much better with setbacks (compare Empire State Building, Chrysler, Woolworth, Rockefeller Center and other classics).

They should re-introduce a modern version of the NY Zoning Resolution for towers at a certain height (like starting at 200ft/60m).
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I believe those residential condos are going to ruin the Waldorf-Astoria.

One thing that's unique about the Waldorf-Astoria is that it is probably the only hotel in New York City that fills an entire city block. Also, I always thought the Waldorf Towers (the 101 VIP units between floors 28 and 42), were already residential apartments. The lower half of the W-A has four wings. I wonder which of those wings the new condos are going to take up, since reports say that the W-A will have only 300-500 rooms after its renovation. If the W-A's new owners want residences in the building so badly, then why don't they just enlarge the hotel rooms in its lower half (its lower 20 or so floors) and confine the condos/residences to its upper floors? That's what I would prefer.

Plus, here's one piece of trivia: During a visit to New York in late September 2015, President Barack Obama stayed at the New York Palace Hotel.
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I believe those residential condos are going to ruin the Waldorf-Astoria.

One thing that's unique about the Waldorf-Astoria is that it is probably the only hotel in New York City that fills an entire city block. Also, I always thought the Waldorf Towers (the 101 VIP units between floors 28 and 42), were already residential apartments. The lower half of the W-A has four wings. I wonder which of those wings the new condos are going to take up, since reports say that the W-A will have only 300-500 rooms after its renovation. If the W-A's new owners want residences in the building so badly, then why don't they just enlarge the hotel rooms in its lower half (its lower 20 or so floors) and confine the condos/residences to its upper floors? That's what I would prefer.

Plus, here's one piece of trivia: During a visit to New York in late September 2015, President Barack Obama stayed at the New York Palace Hotel.
I'm in agreement with you about the W=A. The conversion of the Plaza was a disaster IMO. The new check in area and "Champagne Bar" looks like something out of Dubai (even though it retains the original ceiling) Having a food hall in the basement takes away the feeling of being in an historically important hotel. I recently stayed at the W=A on a "farewell" visit and it still contained that special atmosphere (even though the bedrooms need renovation) I remember from my very first visit many years back. Something the Plaza certainly did not. Time will tell but for me NYC is fast loosing that very special and unique look it once had, these days I'd rather visit other places.
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What do you people think about this mildly classical project at Park Row?

At first glance, I think it integrates rather well and seems to be sensible, albeit a bit large/high, overtrumping the remaining historical buildings. And at the same time, I think they should better use the opportunity to actually reconstruct most of the historical Park Row.

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The famed Newspaper Row (had to make way for the enlargement of the Brooklyn Bridge):


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Erbse, if you agree I think this thread should be named the 'New York Historical Preservation' thread and it should become a repository of news regarding historic preservation efforts in the city. Let me know if you agree and I can message a mod to change the title.

BTW: Good news today!

Landmarks Commission Calendars Sullivan-Thompson Historic District
Instead of focusing on a gentrified historically immigrant rattrap neighborhood, the Landmarks Commission should focus more on grand and/or bigger buildings under threat of demolition, like another Bancroft Building proposed to be demolished for another clusterf**k or banal monstrosity.

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I believe those residential condos are going to ruin the Waldorf-Astoria.

One thing that's unique about the Waldorf-Astoria is that it is probably the only hotel in New York City that fills an entire city block. Also, I always thought the Waldorf Towers (the 101 VIP units between floors 28 and 42), were already residential apartments. The lower half of the W-A has four wings. I wonder which of those wings the new condos are going to take up, since reports say that the W-A will have only 300-500 rooms after its renovation. If the W-A's new owners want residences in the building so badly, then why don't they just enlarge the hotel rooms in its lower half (its lower 20 or so floors) and confine the condos/residences to its upper floors? That's what I would prefer.

Plus, here's one piece of trivia: During a visit to New York in late September 2015, President Barack Obama stayed at the New York Palace Hotel.
NYC has a history of turning hotels into co-ops and condos, so I don't see it as much of an issue.

The Roosevelt Hotel fills an city entire block, as well as Grand Hyatt New York (formerly Commodore Hotel) if you consider Grand Central Market segmenting East 43rd street as an arcade. Both are currently under threat of demolition because of the rezoning proposal.

I believe Obama and the Democraps had an event at the Roosevelt ballroom, and conditions were apparently terrible. It would be great to see it restored while making upgrades necessary for current times.

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What do you people think about this mildly classical project at Park Row?

At first glance, I think it integrates rather well and seems to be sensible, albeit a bit large/high, overtrumping the remaining historical buildings. And at the same time, I think they should better use the opportunity to actually reconstruct most of the historical Park Row.
Along with 1 Beekman Street, I find it quite solid. Maybe it's a little bit austere and I wish that it mimicked lost beauties like the New York World and Tribune Buildings, but it could be far worse. While a lot taller than 15 Park Row, the massing and articulation respects its height and creates a clean and coherent block, especially at street level.
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