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Chebang · November 4th, 2012, 08:18 AM

Folks

I think it is necessary for us to track and post updates related to the Chennai Mega City. The CMDA prepared reports and released it to the state government recently and works have already started to shape up the new corporation limits which is currently said to be 426 sq. kms. There is also a proposal to expand the Metro limits to 8000+ Sq Kms and city limits to 800 Sq Km.. If this is done Chennai will become the largest urban agglomeration in India on records.

Chebang · November 4th, 2012, 08:27 AM

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Chennai to push its boundaries, but how far?
A. Srivathsan
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Even as the State alternates between two options to expand the metropolitan region, A. Srivathsan analyses the impact of the move on neighbourhoods

How much bigger would Chennai get? Will it become a large metropolitan area of 4,400 sq km or a humongous urban zone covering 8,800 sq km?

The state government is currently reviewing two options to decide on the final size of the greater Chennai region. Either way, the existing limits of Chennai metropolitan area are set to expand. The question is whether it would grow to amalgamate Kancheepuram and Chengalpattu. Indications are that it would.

In the last five years, the hinterland of Chennai has grown rapidly and witnessed a steep rise in population. The government planners, after studying this growth pattern, concluded that the present size of the metropolitan area — 1,189 sq km including the core city — was not sufficient to ensure balanced urban development. They have proposed two different-sized regions for planning Chennai’s future.

The first option has Gummidipoondi and Uthukottai taluks in the north, Sriperumbudur in the west and Chengalpattu in the south. This covers an area of 4,400 sq km. In the second option, the north and western boundaries remain the same while the western boundary extends to include Kancheepuram and Uttaramerur taluks. Cheyyar makes the southern boundary. This covers an area of 8,800 sq km (Refer map).

Government sources said they proposed the idea of a larger Chennai region after studying cities such as Mumbai, Hyderabad and Bangalore. They arrived at the exact area after taking the administrative boundaries of taluks into consideration.

Greater Mumbai urban agglomeration (city and its adjoining outgrowths), which has a population of about 18 million, is the smallest in terms of city region — 4,355 sq km. On the other hand, Bangalore, which has less than half of Mumbai’s population, is the largest urban region in the country (excluding Delhi-National Capital Region). The core city is spread across 771 sq km and the region 8,005 sq.km. The size of Hyderabad region is 7,100 sq km and its population is about 7.7 million.

Rohan Shivkumar, an urban designer based in Mumbai does not dispute the need for a regional plan, but cautions that Chennai cannot blindly follow Mumbai. “Functionally and socially, cities go beyond their boundaries and impact farther peripheries. Hence, planning has to take into consideration a larger area around the city. Mumbai’s experience with regional plan is mixed. While some good has come out of it, it has also paved way for exploitation of natural resources in the hinterlands. Development has been uneven. Chennai cannot blindly adopt the Mumbai model, it has to arrive at its own logic.”

An architect involved in evolving the Bangalore regional plan, who did not wish to be named, said that the larger urban region has resulted in multiplicity of authorities. “Each one is pulling the city in a different direction and regional planning process has not effectively taken off,” he said. “Declaring a large area as an urban region has helped developers most. They can now easily change agricultural land to urban use, which would have been difficult otherwise. It will do well for Chennai to put in place a governance structure before seeking to create super-sized cities,” he said.

It appears, Chennai, which almost has the same population as Bangalore, is keen to mechanically adopt either the Mumbai or Bangalore model rather than arrive at its own criteria. It has also overlooked well-known alternatives to regional planning such as the Randstad, the most studied model in the world.

This region in Netherlands does not delineate a single region around its alpha city — Amsterdam. Instead, it connects four cities — Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Utrecht and Hague — through a high speed transportation network. This allows the four cities to develop without losing their importance or unique features. Equally important, this plan protects the large productive green space between the four cities.

This approach has considerable relevance to Chennai. Instead of developing a Chennai-centric single-region, a polycentric model with separate Kancheepuram, Chengalpattu and Chennai urban regions, is possible. This alternative can also help network smaller towns such as Sriperumbudur, Tiruvallur and Madurantakam. The vast agricultural land in between could flourish as the food basket of the region.

“Delineating a bigger region would not necessarily solve Chennai’s problems. The city’s future is linked to overall urban development of the State. Unless neighbouring cities are developed and the larger urban network is strengthened, a lasting solution for Chennai cannot be found,” said K.P Subramanian, former professor of urban engineering, Anna University.

Chebang · November 4th, 2012, 08:28 AM

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http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/...cle3555740.ece

These are the two models studied and proposed:-)

sasikumar · November 4th, 2012, 02:05 PM

what will be the new metro population if it expanded to
1)4400 sq km
2)8800 sq km?

i guess current metro population count is 8,917,749(1,189 sq km)

ranga · November 4th, 2012, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sasikumar

what will be the new metro population if it expanded to
1)4400 sq km
2)8800 sq km?

i guess current metro population count is 8,917,749(1,189 sq km)

Chennai is surrounded by thickly populated Tiruvallur and Kanchipuram districts which is not so in the case of both Bgl and Hyd.There are not many townships around Bgl and Hyd.

karkal · November 4th, 2012, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Chebang

Image Courtesy - The Hindu
http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/...cle3555740.ece

These are the two models studied and proposed:-)

I think they should go for polycentric models as this will be much more decentralised and manageable.

Chebang · November 4th, 2012, 06:02 PM

True, moreover Bangalore metropolitan area includes Hosur which is in TN.
hence the sensus results include some fraction of the population from Hosur.
Population in chennai mega region will be the 3rd largest in india next to Mumbai and NCR

murlee · November 4th, 2012, 07:05 PM

Kolkata UA beats Chennai UA hands down..

karkal · November 4th, 2012, 07:30 PM

URBAN AGGLOMERATIONS & CITIES

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...nokUPcpe8PWzgA

karkal · November 4th, 2012, 07:48 PM

Do large agglomerations lead to economic growth? evidence from urban India

Tripathi, Sabyasachi
Institute for Social and Economic Change

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Abstract

The cities and towns of India constitute the world’s second largest urban system besides contributing over 50 per cent of the country’s Gross Domestic Product (GDP). This phenomenon has been neglected by the existing studies and writings on urban India. By considering 59 large cities in India and employing new economic geography models, this paper investigates the relevant state and city-specific determinants of urban agglomeration. In addition, the spatial interactions between cities and the effect of urban agglomeration on India’s urban economic growth are estimated. The empirical results show that agglomeration economies are policy-induced as well as market-determined and offer evidence of the strong positive effect of agglomeration on urban economic growth and support for the non-linearity of the Core-Periphery (CP) model in India’s urban system.

http://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/38227...aper_38227.pdf

karkal · November 4th, 2012, 08:07 PM

ChennaiIndian · November 5th, 2012, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by karkal

One thing is clear from this but I know this will be discussed a lot in the TN threads- CBE is bigger than MDU.

MA Eswaran · November 5th, 2012, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Chebang

Folks

I think it is necessary for us to track and post updates related to the Chennai Mega City. The CMDA prepared reports and released it to the state government recently and works have already started to shape up the new corporation limits which is currently said to be 426 sq. kms. There is also a proposal to expand the limits to 8000+ Sq Kms. If this is done Chennai will become the largest urban agglomeration in India on records.

I think people are confusing corporation limit with CMDA limit. Proposal is only to increase the CMDA limit for the purpose of planning and approvals and not to increase the corporation limit

ranga · November 5th, 2012, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chebang

True, moreover Bangalore metropolitan area includes Hosur which is in TN.
hence the sensus results include some fraction of the population from Hosur.
Population in chennai mega region will be the 3rd largest in india next to Mumbai and NCR

No u are wrong.Hosur is in TN it cannot be part of Bangaluru metropolitan limit as this is in Karnataka.Kolkatta UA population is much higher about 30 lacs more than chennai UA population

vinodgopal · November 5th, 2012, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chebang

True, moreover Bangalore metropolitan area includes Hosur which is in TN.
hence the sensus results include some fraction of the population from Hosur.
Population in chennai mega region will be the 3rd largest in india next to Mumbai and NCR

Hosur included in Bangalore metropolitan area? ha ha. What do u think it is National capital region comprising of Delhi, its borders with UP and Haryana?

karkal · November 5th, 2012, 06:21 PM

Yes. Parts of Hosur is included in Bangalore UA.

proprashanth · November 5th, 2012, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by karkal

Yes. Parts of Hosur is included in Bangalore UA.

sorry for being ignorant but revenue comes to TN right?

karkal · November 6th, 2012, 01:18 AM

Revenues will still be to the respective states similar to NCR. The UA's are logical entities for creating better coordinated urban infrastructure to attract investments.

Chebang · November 6th, 2012, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ranga

No u are wrong.Hosur is in TN it cannot be part of Bangaluru metropolitan limit as this is in Karnataka.Kolkatta UA population is much higher about 30 lacs more than chennai UA population

Ranga

I myself told hosur is a part of tamil nadu......and i know it.
but bangalore metro includes Hosur..believe it or not

Chebang · November 6th, 2012, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by vinodgopal

Hosur included in Bangalore metropolitan area? ha ha. What do u think it is National capital region comprising of Delhi, its borders with UP and Haryana?

Vinod just becoz it is Delhi Capital of India you think Hosur is not part of Bangalore's UA????? remember this is how Delhi started...

By d way...i was making a point that Chennai UA population will be more than Bangalore & Hyd.

Sad that no one understood...

November 4th, 2012, 08:18 AM	#1
Chebang Registered User Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 93 Likes (Received): 30	CHENNAI - State Capital Region Folks I think it is necessary for us to track and post updates related to the Chennai Mega City. The CMDA prepared reports and released it to the state government recently and works have already started to shape up the new corporation limits which is currently said to be 426 sq. kms. There is also a proposal to expand the Metro limits to 8000+ Sq Kms and city limits to 800 Sq Km.. If this is done Chennai will become the largest urban agglomeration in India on records. Last edited by Chebang; November 7th, 2012 at 09:03 PM.

November 4th, 2012, 08:28 AM	#3
Chebang Registered User Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 93 Likes (Received): 30	Image Courtesy - The Hindu http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/...cle3555740.ece These are the two models studied and proposed:-) Last edited by Chebang; November 4th, 2012 at 08:41 AM.

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murlee ВANNED Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Chennai Posts: 8,752 Likes (Received): 1320	Kolkata UA beats Chennai UA hands down.. __________________ Fallen in love with the Dravidian temple architecture of Tamil Nadu.

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karkal Registered User Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 5,820 Likes (Received): 1493	Revenues will still be to the respective states similar to NCR. The UA's are logical entities for creating better coordinated urban infrastructure to attract investments. Last edited by karkal; November 6th, 2012 at 01:33 AM.

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Chebang Registered User Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 93 Likes (Received): 30	Courtesy and Credit The Hindu http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/...cle3555740.ece Return to frontpage Home News Opinion Sport Business Arts Life & Style S & T Education Health Jobs Classifieds Today's Paper Topics Cities Chennai News Columns Arts Cinema Food MetroPlus Downtown Petpals Sports Multi Media Cities » Chennai Chennai, June 22, 2012 Chennai to push its boundaries, but how far? A. Srivathsan Share · Comment (16) · print · T+ The Hindu An aerial view of Napier Bridge. Photo: V. Ganesan The Hindu An aerial view of Napier Bridge. Photo: V. Ganesan The Hindu TOPICS Tamil Nadu Chennai government civil and public service interior policy housing and urban planning Even as the State alternates between two options to expand the metropolitan region, A. Srivathsan analyses the impact of the move on neighbourhoods How much bigger would Chennai get? Will it become a large metropolitan area of 4,400 sq km or a humongous urban zone covering 8,800 sq km? The state government is currently reviewing two options to decide on the final size of the greater Chennai region. Either way, the existing limits of Chennai metropolitan area are set to expand. The question is whether it would grow to amalgamate Kancheepuram and Chengalpattu. Indications are that it would. In the last five years, the hinterland of Chennai has grown rapidly and witnessed a steep rise in population. The government planners, after studying this growth pattern, concluded that the present size of the metropolitan area — 1,189 sq km including the core city — was not sufficient to ensure balanced urban development. They have proposed two different-sized regions for planning Chennai’s future. The first option has Gummidipoondi and Uthukottai taluks in the north, Sriperumbudur in the west and Chengalpattu in the south. This covers an area of 4,400 sq km. In the second option, the north and western boundaries remain the same while the western boundary extends to include Kancheepuram and Uttaramerur taluks. Cheyyar makes the southern boundary. This covers an area of 8,800 sq km (Refer map). Government sources said they proposed the idea of a larger Chennai region after studying cities such as Mumbai, Hyderabad and Bangalore. They arrived at the exact area after taking the administrative boundaries of taluks into consideration. Greater Mumbai urban agglomeration (city and its adjoining outgrowths), which has a population of about 18 million, is the smallest in terms of city region — 4,355 sq km. On the other hand, Bangalore, which has less than half of Mumbai’s population, is the largest urban region in the country (excluding Delhi-National Capital Region). The core city is spread across 771 sq km and the region 8,005 sq.km. The size of Hyderabad region is 7,100 sq km and its population is about 7.7 million. Rohan Shivkumar, an urban designer based in Mumbai does not dispute the need for a regional plan, but cautions that Chennai cannot blindly follow Mumbai. “Functionally and socially, cities go beyond their boundaries and impact farther peripheries. Hence, planning has to take into consideration a larger area around the city. Mumbai’s experience with regional plan is mixed. While some good has come out of it, it has also paved way for exploitation of natural resources in the hinterlands. Development has been uneven. Chennai cannot blindly adopt the Mumbai model, it has to arrive at its own logic.” An architect involved in evolving the Bangalore regional plan, who did not wish to be named, said that the larger urban region has resulted in multiplicity of authorities. “Each one is pulling the city in a different direction and regional planning process has not effectively taken off,” he said. “Declaring a large area as an urban region has helped developers most. They can now easily change agricultural land to urban use, which would have been difficult otherwise. It will do well for Chennai to put in place a governance structure before seeking to create super-sized cities,” he said. It appears, Chennai, which almost has the same population as Bangalore, is keen to mechanically adopt either the Mumbai or Bangalore model rather than arrive at its own criteria. It has also overlooked well-known alternatives to regional planning such as the Randstad, the most studied model in the world. This region in Netherlands does not delineate a single region around its alpha city — Amsterdam. Instead, it connects four cities — Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Utrecht and Hague — through a high speed transportation network. This allows the four cities to develop without losing their importance or unique features. Equally important, this plan protects the large productive green space between the four cities. This approach has considerable relevance to Chennai. Instead of developing a Chennai-centric single-region, a polycentric model with separate Kancheepuram, Chengalpattu and Chennai urban regions, is possible. This alternative can also help network smaller towns such as Sriperumbudur, Tiruvallur and Madurantakam. The vast agricultural land in between could flourish as the food basket of the region. “Delineating a bigger region would not necessarily solve Chennai’s problems. The city’s future is linked to overall urban development of the State. Unless neighbouring cities are developed and the larger urban network is strengthened, a lasting solution for Chennai cannot be found,” said K.P Subramanian, former professor of urban engineering, Anna University.

November 4th, 2012, 02:05 PM	#4
sasikumar Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 48 Likes (Received): 0	what will be the new metro population if it expanded to 1)4400 sq km 2)8800 sq km? i guess current metro population count is 8,917,749(1,189 sq km)

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Chebang Registered User Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 93 Likes (Received): 30	True, moreover Bangalore metropolitan area includes Hosur which is in TN. hence the sensus results include some fraction of the population from Hosur. Population in chennai mega region will be the 3rd largest in india next to Mumbai and NCR

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karkal Registered User Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 5,820 Likes (Received): 1493	Yes. Parts of Hosur is included in Bangalore UA.

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