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Old April 17th, 2015, 08:02 PM   #101
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1) When the construction of MODERN TRAMWAYS started, were the previous tram tracks (closed in fifties) discovered under the road surface in the time of digging?

2) Is there any remaining of previous tram network in Edinburgh?
I'm fairly sure I read somewhere that after the trams stopped running in the fifties all the tracks were lifted pretty soon afterwards. But there is a small section of the original cable-pulled tram track at the end of Waterloo Place. You can see it on google streetview.


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Old April 18th, 2015, 03:36 PM   #102
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Work begins on new west Edinburgh train station
http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.co...tion-1-3746893
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Work has begun on a new train station in the west of the city that is set to become the public transport lynchpin for huge housing developments proposed in the area.
The £25 million Edinburgh Gateway station will also provide an interchange with the tram line, allowing residents from Fife and the north to connect with Edinburgh Airport by train and tram.
Network Rail contractors are already on the ground and have begun clearing the site. The station located near the Gogar Roundabout is expected to be in operation by the end of next year.
The two-storey building will see passengers able to walk the few dozen metres between train and tram platforms, with easy links to the Gyle shopping centre and bus services.
However, the station will not offer services to Glasgow and the west as originally planned, after cuts to the Edinburgh-Glasgow Improvement Programme in 2012 saw a vital spur of track at Dalmeny scrapped to save money...
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Old April 19th, 2015, 01:24 PM   #103
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So only the remain of cable tram, no former electric tram. Sad!!1
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Old April 27th, 2015, 06:32 AM   #104
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FORMER TRAM ROUTES OF EDINBURGH

This is the complete list of the former tram routes. Note then the tram service covered the entire city. It was a great blunder to destroy that marvellous system. Bold names are both termini, and ordinary names are via streets.

Red means the new tram also serves this portion of former route.

1 Corstorphine - Murrayfield - Haymarket - Princes St. - Waverley Stn. - Nicolson St. - Newington Stn. - Craigmillar Park - Liberton
2 Granton - Newhaven - Lindsay Rd. - Gt. Junction Rd. - Leith Walk - York Place - George St. - Haymarket - Dalry Rd. - Gorgie Rd. - Stenhouse
3 Stenhouse - Gorgie St. - Dalry Rd. - Haymarket - Princes St. - Waverley Stn. - Nicolson St. - Newington Stn.
4 Slateford - Slateford Rd. - Dalry Rd. - Haymarket - Princes St. - York Place - London Rd. - Piershill
5 Morningside Stn - Grange Rd. - Nicolson St. - Waverley Stn. - York Place - London Rd. - Piershill
6 GPO - Waverley Stn. - Nicolson St. - Grange Rd. - Melville Drive - Tollcross - Lothian Rd. - Princes St. - GPO [Circular route, both directions]
7 Newhaven - Stanley Rd. - Ferry Rd. - Gt. Junction Rd. - Leith Walk - York Place - Waverley Stn. - Nicolson St. - Newington Stn. - Craigmillar Park - Liberton
8 Granton - Granton Rd. - Inverleith Row - Broughton St. - York Place - Waverley Stn. - Nicolson St. - Newington Stn.
9 Granton - Granton Rd. - Inverleith Row - Broughton St. - York Place - Princes St. - Lothian Rd. - Tollcross - Gilmore Place - Colinton Rd. - Firrhill - Colinton
10 Bernard St. - Constitution St. - Leith Walk - York Place - Princes St. - Lothian Rd. - Tollcross - Gilmore Place - Colinton Rd. - Firrhill - Colinton
11 Newhaven - Stanley Rd. - Pilrig Rd. - Leith Walk - York Place - Princes St. - Lothian Rd. - Tollcross - Bruntsfield Pl. - Morningside Stn. - Comiston Rd. - Fairmilehead
12 Corstorphine - Murrayfield - Haymarket - Princes St. - York Place - Leith Walk - Hermitage Pl. - Seafield Rd. - Portobello - Joppa
13 Granton - Newhaven - Lindsay Rd. - Gt. Junction Rd. - Leith Walk - York Place - Princes St. - Lothian Rd. - Tollcross - Bruntsfield Pl. - Grange Rd. - Nicolson St. - Waverley Stn. - York Place - Leith Walk - Pilrig St. - Ferry Rd. - Granton Rd. - Granton [Circular route, double loop, one direction]
14 Granton - Granton Rd. - Ferry Rd. - Pilrig St. - Leith Walk - York Place - Waverley Stn. - Nicolson St. - Grange Rd. - Bruntsfield Pl. - Tollcross - Lothian Rd. - Princes St. - York Place - Leith Walk - Gt. Junction Rd. - Lindsay Rd. - Newhaven - Granton [Circular route, double loop, one direction]
15 King's Rd. - Portobello Rd. - London Rd. - York Place - Princes St. - Lothian Rd. - Tollcross - Bruntsfield Pl. - Morningside Stn. - Comiston Rd. - Fairmilehead
16 Granton - Granton Rd. - Ferry Rd. - Gt. Junction Rd. - Leith Walk - York Place - Princes St. - Lothian Rd. - Tollcross - Bruntsfield Pl. - Morningside Stn. - Comiston Rd. - Fairmilehead
17 Granton - Newhaven - Lindsay Rd. - Bernard St. - Constitution St. - Leith Walk - York Place - Waverley Stn. - Nicolson St. - Newington Stn.
18 Waverley Bridge - Princes St. - Lothian Rd. - Tollcross - Melville Drive - Grange Rd. - Newington Stn. - Craigmillar Park - Liberton Dams
19 Seafield (Craigentinny Av. N.) - Seafield Rd. - Hermitage Pl. - Leith Walk - York Place - Waverley Stn. - Nicolson St. - Melville Drive - Tollcross
20 GPO - Regent Rd. - London Rd. - Portobello Rd. - Portobello - Joppa
21 GPO - Regent Rd. - London Rd. - Portobello Rd. - Portobello - Joppa - Musselburgh - Levenhall
22 Lindsay Rd. - Gt. Junction Rd. - Leith Walk - York Place - George St. - Haymarket - Dalry Rd. - Gorgie Rd. - Stenhouse
23 Granton Rd. Station - Inverleith Row - Dundas St. - Old Town - Tollcross - Bruntsfield Pl. - Morningside Stn.
24 Waverley Bridge - Comely Bank
25 Drum Brae South - Murrayfield - Haymarket - Princes St. - York Place - Leith Walk - Hermitage Pl. - Seafield Rd. - King’s Rd.
26 Drum Brae South - Murrayfield - Haymarket - Princes St. - York Place - London Rd. - Piershill
27 Granton Rd. Station - Inverleith Row - Dundas St. - Old Town - Tollcross - Gilmore Place - Colinton Rd. - Firrhill
28 Newhaven - Stanley Rd. - Pilrig Rd. - Leith Walk - York Place - Princes St. - Lothian Rd. - Tollcross - Bruntsfield Pl. - Morningside Stn. - Comiston Rd. - Braids
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Old May 5th, 2015, 08:41 AM   #105
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COMBINATION OF OLD & NEW SYSTEM

Current route 1 uses former route 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 18, 22, 25, 26, 28 from York Place to Haymarket. Not all routes to entire mentioned stretch, but some routes on some parts etc. mixed

How history repeats!!!

York Place, Waverley Bridge, Princess Street, Haymarket – all these places once served by old tram, and now served by new trams also.

There is a plan to extended the new system up to Granton via Leith Walk, Constitution Street, Bernerd Street, Lindsay Road and Newheaven. Another route is planned from Waverley Bridge to Newcraighall via Nicholson Street, Newington Station, Craigmillar Park. All these roads and places were served by former tram routes.

I’m also suggesting, new tramway should also run up-to Fairmilehead & Levenhall.
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Old May 6th, 2015, 11:51 PM   #106
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FOOLISH AUTHORITY OF EDINBURGH

Edinburgh's great tram network was closed in 1956 for some blunt reasons –

“The infrastructure and fleet of the systems that closed service in the 1950's were usually in very bad condition. So it was easier and cheaper for the companies to change to bus-service because the cities made the streets often completely new in these days because of the many new cars. They also thought that there is no place for trams on the streets anymore and that the old and slowly trams will disturb the car- and bus-traffic.”

If you see to many European cities, which is also very old, even older and congested than Edinburgh, was prevented the world’s fifties trend to close tram networks. They patiently improved their infrastructure & fleets step by step, and imported sometimes foreign trams also. They gradually increased their network with both reserved and unreserved track. Edinburgh could do that. By gradually improving rolling stocks looking those cities, they can maintain their network. Even my city Kolkata, where tram is under trouble, still has a good network.

1) The advent of buses and large scale competition meant that buses often ran the same routes as the trams and would jump in front in order to "grab" customers.
Buses are still present in Edinburgh, even much more than before. Aren’t they competing with tram now? If now tram can attract more people than bus, I think if Edinburgh Transport Authority should be patient, trams would sure survived, even defeat bus. Actually they started following other cities for withdrawing tram during fifties.

2) While buses were able to move into Edinburgh’s expanding hinterland quicker and at less cost that the trams.
Current tram network has situated in suburb, and the infrastructure is more expensive like bus (includes masts, wires, stops, etc.). But they are very popular for commuters than bus. If now they can re-make that costly infrastructure, why not past? Previous network was much ordinary than present. Actually they were lobbying the automobile industry, and the industry started marketing automobiles, like many cities around the world.

3) The belief that trams were outdated and old technology meanwhile,
If tram is really outdated, why the transport authority returned it in Edinburgh? It clearly shows that outdated technology idea was completely fake.

4) There was a belief that buses were cheaper to run than trams.
Although initial construction cost of tramway network is higher, but it is profitable for long term, because buses runs on diesel, which is being costly month by month over the world, and also decreasing from nature’s storage. Diesel can’t be made artificially, but electricity can make from various sources, like air, water, tide etc, so it is unlimited, and it is also pollution free.

5) The system was in a poor state of repair.
Many cities around the Europe, has maintained tram, struggling over World War 2, by investing seriously on track & rolling stocks. Even I live in Kolkata, but my city has still a good tram network. When Edinburgh closed their tram in 1950’s, Kolkata’s tram has peak period, and still one of the large system in Asia. So “impossible repairing” is just another lie.

6) The overcrowded and heaving trams running at a high frequency, in competition with growing private motor car and bus use, created congestion.
It says that trams were overcrowded, it means were very popular among the citizens, and also ran on high frequency, means a reliable service. Actually they started following other cities for withdrawing tram during fifties.

7) Competition from the private car, private bus operators and the perception of traffic congestion led to the gradual closure of lines from the 1950s.
Despite the competition with automobile, they were very popular among citizens due to high frequency. Actually they were lobbying the automobile industry, and the industry started marketing automobiles, like many cities around the world.

8) Closure was supported by the authority, but generally went against public opinion.
It is very natural that ordinary people can’t be against with tram. Tram is pollution free, gentle and a status symbol of a civilized city. Even I live in Kolkata, but my city has still a good tram network.

9) The main reason for the move to buses was the inflexibility of the tram routes should problems occur (one accident could bring the whole system to a halt).
Accident is accident, but the world will not stop for fear of accident. It may be even in today, but a regular check-up and maintenance could much reduce it.

Edinburgh’s previous tram survived from 1922 to 1956 and closed for those fake reasons. Tram reopened in 2014. So are we sure that around 2048, Edinburgh will not again close its tram for some updated closure reasons?
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Old June 20th, 2015, 11:32 AM   #107
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Edinburgh trams: Options for line extension revealed
18 June 2015



Edinburgh city council is looking into extending the tram network to Newhaven, Ocean Terminal or the foot of Leith Walk

The council wants to continue the tram line from the city centre along part of the original route scrapped when the project ran into trouble.

The line currently stops at York Place in the city centre.

Extension cost estimates would be £144.7m to Newhaven, £126.6m to Ocean Terminal and £78.7m to Leith Walk

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Taken from Washington-Baltimore transport thread:

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Building the Edinburgh streetcar wasn't easy, but a lot of people ride it now

I recently took a trip to Scotland, where I rode on Edinburgh's new streetcar. Much like DC, Edinburgh struggled to get its first line open, and scaled back initial plans. But now that streetcars are carrying passengers, Scots view it much more favorably.



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From The Scottsman:

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Extra trams for Edinburgh to meet demand considered
21:45 Friday 28 August 2015



EXTRA rush-hour trams are being considered by Edinburgh transport chiefs to ease the pressure on packed carriages, The Scotsman can reveal

Frequency may be stepped up after passenger growth outstripped expectations.

Around five million journeys a year are being made on the Edinburgh Airport to city centre line, with traffic in June up 5 per cent on last year

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Tram extension hits buffers as SNP learn cost
NOVEMBER 12TH, 2015 - 12:30 AM



AN extension of Edinburgh’s tram line to Newhaven is now likely to be postponed indefinitely after the case for it fell apart when SNP councillors learned of its true cost.

The National can reveal that Edinburgh Council would almost certainly have to borrow almost all of the £144 million required for the extension, and the cost of the line would therefore be well in excess of £200 million.

Indeed one council source said that if interest rates returned to normal, the cost of the extension would be “nearly £300 million”

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Edinburgh Council approves tram extension
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THE City of Edinburgh Council has today approved in principle a proposal to extend the city's light rail line to Newhaven

Elected members voted to continue consideration of the proposed tram extension until Edinburgh Council meets again in December, when a full report will be heard. In the meantime, the council will gather additional details in support of any decision to proceed to the first stage of development, including formally writing to Lothian Buses to request what additional dividend resources can be made available to fund activities

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I don't have a link, but Edinburgh City council have begun the CPO (Compulsory Purchase Order) procedure to begin safeguarding the Granton Spur- this would mean in conjunction with the Newhaven extension, we'd have a full loop.

I was at a conference a few weeks ago where one of the head poncho's from TfE was discussing the project. I'll post some of the slides when I get a chance!
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How funny, once they closed trams from Newhaven, and now thinking again tram there :-D
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How funny, once they closed trams from Newhaven, and now thinking again tram there :-D
I know, right!? I think they miss them too much.
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Out of curiosity, how is TfE structured? Where does it fit in terms of local government, and how much power over transport does it have in Edinburgh?

I'm really impressed with how Edinburgh presents itself transport wise, they are definitely more active in public engagement and envisioning the transport future of Edinburgh.

You can't say the same for Glasgow. We have great infrastructure already in place, but SPT and GCC don't seem too fussed about improving the passenger experience or planning for the future.
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Edinburgh Trams start running every five minutes during rush hours

Edinburgh Trams have started running every five minutes during the morning and evening rush hours.

They now run more frequently between 07:30 to 09:30 and 16:30 to 18:30 rather than the previous frequency of eight to 10 minutes[...]
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City Deal bid could pay for Edinburgh tram extension

Council chiefs are in talks with Chancellor Philip *Hammond and the UK and Scottish governments to inject cash into the project[...]
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Tram extension mooted under Edinburgh City Deal

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Light rail system option mooted for Forth Road Bridge

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