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View Poll Results: Where would you like to build and develop Manila's new airport?
Bulacan, Bulacan 83 18.78%
San Jose del Monte City, Bulacan 41 9.28%
Naic, Cavite 37 8.37%
Ternate, Cavite 25 5.66%
Existing Clark Airport, and expand it 149 33.71%
Existing NAIA, but reorganize existing services 62 14.03%
Other location (explain) 45 10.18%
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Old November 5th, 2012, 07:52 AM   #1
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After weeks of arguing and discussing about why I believe that PAL's new airport can cause both a blessing and issues for the location of it -- including issues as overcapacity, land development, economic viability, and the like -- I feel encouraged to create a thread specifically dedicated to the now-rumored new airport to be created by no less than the Philippines' flag carrier, Philippine Airlines, under the leadership of President Ramon S. Ang, Jr.

The issues surrounding Metro Manila's aviation development can be summarized as follows:
  • Ninoy Aquino International Airport, the Philippines' premier gateway, is currently overcrowded with over 40 flights departing every hour, which is over the maximum limit of 36 flights per hour established by the ICAO and FAA. Due to its limited size, as well as the appalling condition of Terminal 1, the Aquino government has vowed to improve the aging International Terminal, which was opened in 1980 to replace an older terminal that was burned down years earlier. And now, with Terminal 3 opened to commercial airline traffic, the government aims to move all international airline operations to the new terminal, but not without controversy on how the airport can mitigate its current congestion. In addition, the problems with the airport's VOR and ILS systems cause flight diversions to nearby airports, such as CRK and SFS, causing longer delays at the country's premier airport.
  • Clark International Airport, touted as an alternate gateway to NAIA, is home to Low Cost Carrier (LCC) operations operating within the country and from other countries. While it hosts to two full-fledged carriers, namely Dragonair of Hong Kong and Asiana Airlines of South Korea, the government has had endless feasibility studies for the airport for the past twenty (20) years, in which the delays have cost millions of pesos of wasted investment, not to mention lost opportunities from a Kuwaiti investor that would like to invest in building the airport further, and the primary reason: distance from Manila. It may be close to locations as Angeles City, Bulacan, Subic, and other regional destinations, but its distance from the Financial Districts of Makati and Ortigas may cause a lot of concerns for business travelers.
  • In addition, the current standing of the country's aviation safety has been viewed negatively by the ICAO, the FAA, and the European Union, in which the antiquated laws that have been in place, as well as issues surrounding the DOTC, CAAP, MIAA, and other related agencies and the poor situation of the country's airports and aviation workers, all contribute to the various infractions and stiff penalties made by the top foreign aviation groups, causing the Philippine aviation industry to suffer enormously over the past five years.
And now, with a new PAL airport being planned by Mr. Ang, how will it change the Philippine aviation industry? What impacts will be seen in terms of aviation traffic, economic development, social justice, environmental impact, and other related issues? Will the new airport make the Philippines a more competitive aviation destination, given that 98% of all foreign visits in the country use airlines as the primary means to travel to and from the Philippines? Those are some of the questions that will be asked over time once the new airport is being developed, constructed, and opened over time.

The poll question is this: if you were Mr. Ang, and you have the opportunity to build a brand new airport from scratch for Mega Manila, where would you like to build it? The related questions to the above question would be:
  • What makes the location a more viable option than the others?
  • What factors do you believe that would make the location a most suitable place to build the new airport?
  • How would you make the airport accessible to and from the Financial Districts of Ortigas and/or Makati?
  • What will you create in the airport premises to make it attractive, functional, and efficient for passengers?
  • Related to my Aerotropolis concept: what will you create around the airport to make it economically viable for businesses and industries?
  • What would be your key challenge to make the airport the premier gateway should you choose the location against the other options?
(As always, other questions can be derived as well)

SSC rules and guidelines apply to this thread, so have a lively and productive discussion on the future of Manila's new airport!
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Old November 5th, 2012, 12:40 PM   #2
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Old November 5th, 2012, 02:05 PM   #3
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I voted for Bulacan, Bulacan. Why? Because it has all the land for a 4,000 hectare airport with its aerotropolis. Even though the land is currently a flood plain with some fish ponds scattered around the area, there are engineering solutions to that problem. Bangkok's Suvarnabhumi Airport was built on a marshland, but engineers were able to construct it. 6 years into operation, Suvarnabhumi did not had any major damage to all its infrastructures despite being built on a marshland.

Another reason is that Bulacan, Bulacan has no mountain range in its vicinity, which Ramon Ang has said that if there are mountains within the vicinity, he would not build the future MNL there. Approach will be from Manila Bay.

Another reason is that Ramon Ang has said that the airport will be connected to Makati by a 6 lane elevated expressway. That 6 lane elevated expressway is the Skyway Stage 3. It might not directly connect his proposed airport to Makati, but since it ends at the Balintawak Cloverleaf of NLEX, it still connects the proposed airport to Makati, albeit in an indirect way.

First, it should have a spur road from the NLEX. The interchange is somewhat ready (the partially constructed Balagtas-North Food Exchange exit) where the spur road can start. Second, there should be an initial 2 parallel runways with a midfield terminal that can rival the size of HKIA's Terminal 1 when fully built.

The terminal complex should have a Ground Transportation Center where public utility buses, tour buses, and taxis will pick up passengers. The GTC will also house the rent-a-car companies, their shuttle buses will also pick up passengers here and bring them to their garages. The GTC will also house the multi level carpark of the airport. And finally, the GTC will also house an underground station for the future Airport Express railway.

Near the GTC, there would be 2 airport hotels that will cater to budget and business travelers .

Inside the terminal, there would be an underground Automated People Mover that will transport passengers from one end (after immigration) until the other end. It can be extended up to the future satellite concourses.

Retail areas inside the terminal mimic those in HKIA, Changi, Suvarnabhumi, KLIA and Incheon.

There would be a transit hotel inside the terminal for the transiting passengers.

The residential part of the aerotropolis would consist of medium rise buildings and will house all airport employees and their families. It would be located about 1 km away from the terminal complex and will be perpendicular? or parallel? to the runways, but will be situated before the end of the runways. There would be a mall like the Citygate outlet mall and some other convenience stores and other street level shops. There would be schools for the children of the airport employees. In short, the concept of the aerotropolis is similar to the Tung Chung New Town, Hong Kong.
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Old November 5th, 2012, 03:19 PM   #4
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Coastal towns

http://www.philippines2050.com/angs-...e-speculations
Coastal towns or cities, however, offer a more ideal airport location. San Miguel’s planned airport in such coastal areas could serve as a full intermodal transportation hub, where buses, taxis, train, ships and ferryboats can fetch airline passengers to their destination.

At least five towns in Bulacan could host San Miguel’s international airport, although the conglomerate may need to reclaim parts of their coastal areas in Manila Bay. The towns of Bulacan, Obando, Paombong and Hagonoy and Malolos City hug the shoreline of the province and are close to the northern edge of Metro Manila.

They are just a few kilometers away from the Balintawak end of San Miguel’s tollway that starts from Buendia Avenue in Makati. The toll road, part of the 30-kilometer Metro Manila Skyway project package approved by the government in 1995, will have exits in Quirino in Manila and Plaza Dilao, Aurora Boulevard, E. Rodriguez Ave., Quezon Boulevard, Sgt. Rivera and Balintawak in Quezon City. Source: ManilaStandardToday.com
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You two (anonymous_filipino and philippinearena) have put forth a very strong argument for Bulacan.

No need for me to add anything for now. According to theabe,

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I think you knew all along that it will be Ternate Cavite or Naic Cavite and the precise spot wouldnt make much difference as it is still Cavite and not Bulacan.

I think you just dont want to disappoint rockyg and philippinearena.
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Old November 5th, 2012, 04:56 PM   #6
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Oh by the way, I forgot to put that Manny Pangilinan is also indirectly involved in PAL's proposed airport thru the NLEX-SLEX Connector Expressway (another elevated expressway that shares a 5 km common alignment with the Skyway Stage 3 from Buendia until near the Polytechnic University of the Philippines) and the NLEX Segments 9 and 10, which connects the NLEX-SLEX Connector Expressway to NLEX Main thru the Smart Connect Interchange
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Old November 5th, 2012, 05:48 PM   #7
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asan na si theabe?
by the way i-revise ko yong bulacan sketch before posting here, gawin na nating 4 runway..and try to create a cross section showing the elevations...
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On top of that, I could do a simulation of how an Aerotropolis concept would look like, if done right and with open spaces... possibly with a river or creek that would bring water to and from the new city.
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Old November 5th, 2012, 08:07 PM   #9
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You two (anonymous_filipino and philippinearena) have put forth a very strong argument for Bulacan.

No need for me to add anything for now. According to theabe,



Well, if the airport is to be built in Bulacan, then it should be noted that it may not cost as much to acquire land, but it will take a lot of money and manpower to construct such immense project... I would like to see how the utilities will be distributed so that the Aerotropolis concept for the new airport can thrive over time. Hopefully, it will run underground... how about underground garbage chutes wherein trash will be collected at one central location at least twice a week, and that garbage segregation can be established as a way to manage waste?
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Old November 6th, 2012, 12:29 AM   #10
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Well, if the airport is to be built in Bulacan, then it should be noted that it may not cost as much to acquire land, but it will take a lot of money and manpower to construct such immense project... I would like to see how the utilities will be distributed so that the Aerotropolis concept for the new airport can thrive over time. Hopefully, it will run underground... how about underground garbage chutes wherein trash will be collected at one central location at least twice a week, and that garbage segregation can be established as a way to manage waste?
Kaya siguro ang South Korean Contractor ang kinuha nila. Mura daw maningil ang mga korean contractors.
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asan na si theabe?
by the way i-revise ko yong bulacan sketch before posting here, gawin na nating 4 runway..and try to create a cross section showing the elevations...
Bro, yung unang ginawa mong map na tumatawid ang karugtong ng C6 sa Marilao, yun kasi ang talagang nasa PPP map. Kung sta. maria naku baka di ka na makarating sa paroroonan mo sa traffic and tingin ko yun ang hindi magiging makatotohanan na gagawin



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Wow, ang haba nyan... C-6 lang yan. Pano pa kaya kung C-7 ang gagawin: tatawid ba yan ng Laguna de Bay? Plus, paano na kaya ang development around the C-6 corridor kasi maraming probinsya ang dadaanan nyan?
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Old November 6th, 2012, 01:36 AM   #13
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Heto ang C6


http://www.dpwh.gov.ph/bureau_servic...s/c6_south.htm


2013 to 2016 ang target date (Makakaresearch ng news article). Same din sa sinasabing PAL airport, oil depot, MRT 7 and SLEX-NLEX connector


Lahat nang nakaunderline na iyan ay project paNorte na puro hanggang 2016. Isabay narin ang Philippine Arena na matatapos lahat ng project pati hospital , stadium, sports complex and NEU hanggang 2016.


Ang di lang sure diyan ay ang airport dahil dinedeny pa.





Saya naman sa Bulacan!

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Maganda siya. Sana ang ending nyan ay sa new airport... but the final location could either be north or south of the C-6 expressway, if not directly west of the current terminus.
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Kaya siguro ang South Korean Contractor ang kinuha nila. Mura daw maningil ang mga korean contractors.
The south Korean contractors do a better job than most Filipino contractors (with DMCI and EEI being the exceptions). Their roads last longer (must be the quality of cement and asphalt being used) and they work faster. I remember in the 80s the Koreans built the roads in Negros Occidental (which are prone to rough wear and tear due to the heavily laden trucks and trailers full of sugarcane) and these lasted more than 20 years.

The problem with building in Metro Manila is that even if you place 2 ft thick concrete roads, sooner or later, MWSS or DPWH will start cutting them up to lay more drainage or water pipes. They should have just made these sewer lines on the side and not in the middle of the roads, so that structures cannot be built over the lines. In Metro Manila, people build over the sidewalks which adds to congestion.
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I think the Pal airport will be in a Reclaimed Land in Taguig city
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I think the Pal airport will be in a Reclaimed Land in Taguig city
And what makes you think it will be in Taguig City? Plus what would be the sacrifices you'd like to make to build the new airport there?
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And what makes you think it will be in Taguig City? Plus what would be the sacrifices you'd like to make to build the new airport there?



Because san miguel said that the new airport will be
just 15 minutes away from Ayala.
Bulacan is so far even they build an elevated highway
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That's true. However, what would you destroy in the process to make the new airport in Taguig City feasible?
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After giving it some thought, having the PAL airport in Taguig (in the area of what is Bay Breeze subdivision) will theoretically allow for a HND/NRT style arrangement for Metro Manila.

What may happen is that the international carriers move to the new airport, while the LCCs and general aviation stay at NAIA. Since more passengers fly domestic, they just have to ensure that the LCC hub has connectivity to the international airport within 30 minutes so those flying into MNL on one airline can clear immigrations and customs, and then transfer to the LCC hub.

However it is not likely for the following reasons:

1. Time frame - you cannot reclaim land from Laguna de Bay and build your airport within a 3 year time frame. It will take 5 years at the least. This will not fit in the plans of San Miguel, considering the delivery schedule of their new planes.

2. The link between both airports has to be water-tight, figuratively speaking. They should be able to allow for both mass transport and road infrastructure for this to happen.

3. Cost and engineering concerns - reclaiming land from the sea (in this case, a lake) is very expensive, not to mention, time consuming. Aside from this they haven't built the Paraρaque spillway so there is the chance of flooding the airport if it is not elevated enough.

The multiple airport setup for a city has worked in many major metropolitan centers in the world (London with LHR, LGW, LCY, STN (http://www.londoncityairport.com/vis...weenairports); New York with JFK, LGA and EWR, etc.). However not as close as a NAIA / Taguig airport setup.

Having two airports too close to each other will not work well in contingencies when a superstorm will hit the same area, or if Metro Manila is paralyzed by Bangkok style (red shirt vs. yellow shirt) demonstrations or riots.
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