MISC | Philippine Airlines' "New" Airport

[theabe]

Originally Posted by rockyg

thanks bro ...maganda kasi na me pros and cons....

oo maganda yun napag-uusapan lahat ng pros and cons. si fieldsofdream ay magaling mag evaluate ng terrain. narinig ko na yun comment nya sa bulacan kaya hinihintay ko naman yun comment nya sa cavite na meron yatang mountain range naman

[rockyg]

Originally Posted by NTprime

Another reason why Bulakan, Bulacan will be within 20 minutes drive to the Makati CBD. The NLEX/SLEX connector road (not EDSA).

parang magiging matindi ang rivalry ng grupo ni Ang at ni Pangilinan...heto ang scenaryo...kapag natuloy ang PAL airport sa Bulakan, Bulacan...pwede rin na gumawa ang Pangilinan side ng sa Naic area....para makaganti.... ang panalo lahat ng tao...

[xxxriainxxx]

Interesting discussion here. Ibang klase pala kung may makascoop ng balita nito.. Tingnan ko nga kung may mapipiga ang mga sources ko.

[fieldsofdreams]

hahahaha well, get your sources ready and discuss the battle of the new Manila airport! Anyways...

Originally Posted by rockyg

parang magiging matindi ang rivalry ng grupo ni Ang at ni Pangilinan...heto ang scenaryo...kapag natuloy ang PAL airport sa Bulakan, Bulacan...pwede rin na gumawa ang Pangilinan side ng sa Naic area....para makaganti.... ang panalo lahat ng tao...

Hala, ano nanaman ang connection ni Pangilinan? Gagawa rin ba siya ng sarili niyang airport? Ang tanong: saan, and papaano siya mag-i-invest? Remember: he's more of a telecom magnate than a transportation magnate, so I wonder how much he'll invest in a new airport.

[fieldsofdreams]

Originally Posted by theabe

oo maganda yun napag-uusapan lahat ng pros and cons. si fieldsofdream ay magaling mag evaluate ng terrain. narinig ko na yun comment nya sa bulacan kaya hinihintay ko naman yun comment nya sa cavite na meron yatang mountain range naman

Which site would you like: Naic or Ternate?

[fieldsofdreams]

Originally Posted by philippinearena

Parang masyadong malayo para puntahan ng manlalakbay

Kung sa Bulakan pag nagawa na ang Navotas to Bataan coastal highway ay siguradong mas may dating ang airport na iyan, lalo na kung malapit sa next tourist destination na Philippine Arena.

Actually, kapag sa Cavite ilalagay, mas-marami ang bibyahe dyan kasi ang trajectory of growth ng Metro and Mega Manila is southward. Remember: kapag gagawin sa Cavite, pupwede ring i-replicate ang plano ng Bulacan: add a seaport or a ferry terminal (woohoo to Superferry!), add infrastructure, and develop areas close to the new terminal. Plus, an added bonus: more tourist spots are located in the south than in the north, and a LRT extension to Cavite will work wonders if it will be extended even further to serve the new airport. Think of it as a cobweb: you have Metro Manila as the heart, Cavite and Bulacan as its arteries and veins, and if you make the connections work smoothly, everyone will win. It's a matter of government priorities, investments, and long-term planning.

As for the Cavite lands, a seaside location would be great, but it will be too far from the main drag, Aguinaldo Highway. It may be closer to Noveleta Highway for Cavite City, but that area is barely developed to begin with. However, you will have a stiff competition with the DENR because a part of the area you might develop for the new airport will compete with an existing national park (Mt. Palay-Palay National Park), which may have a lot of protected and endangered species in the area), so you might want to either scale down the new airport or find an alternate location... probably a bit inland like closer to Trece Martires City or Alfonso.

[theabe]

Originally Posted by fieldsofdreams

Which site would you like: Naic or Ternate?

source:pse

it is the site in green. aside from environmental issues by Mt. Palay Palay i think ntprime mentioned something about a mountain range. do you see other challenges to the type of terrain in the area.

[NTprime]

Originally Posted by fieldsofdreams

hahahaha well, get your sources ready and discuss the battle of the new Manila airport! Anyways...



Hala, ano nanaman ang connection ni Pangilinan? Gagawa rin ba siya ng sarili niyang airport? Ang tanong: saan, and papaano siya mag-i-invest? Remember: he's more of a telecom magnate than a transportation magnate, so I wonder how much he'll invest in a new airport.

Pangilinan's Metro Pacific is also into infrastructure. For one, they are the largest shareholder of Meralco, and they also have a stake in the NLEX/SLEX connector project (the magenta line in the diagram Rockyg posted), including stage 9 and 10. He is also known for mining (being chairman of Philex Mining), which caused him to sever ties with the Jesuits who are very vocal about their opposition to mining.

Both San Miguel and Metro Pacific were able to transform their companies from their original core business into the diversified conglomerates that they are now.

[fieldsofdreams]

Originally Posted by NTprime

Pangilinan's Metro Pacific is also into infrastructure. For one, they are the largest shareholder of Meralco, and they also have a stake in the NLEX/SLEX connector project (the magenta line in the diagram Rockyg posted), including stage 9 and 10. He is also known for mining (being chairman of Philex Mining), which caused him to sever ties with the Jesuits who are very vocal about their opposition to mining.

Both San Miguel and Metro Pacific were able to transform their companies from their original core business into the diversified conglomerates that they are now.

Oh yeah, I remember Metro Pacific. I didn't know though that it is very much involved in infrastructure projects too... did it contribute to the MRT-3 project? I think that's the one I recall.

[rockyg]

Originally Posted by fieldsofdreams

Oh yeah, I remember Metro Pacific. I didn't know though that it is very much involved in infrastructure projects too... did it contribute to the MRT-3 project? I think that's the one I recall.

PANGILINAN
http://www.mpic.com.ph/site/inv_tollroads.php
Metro Pacific Tollways Corporation – the Largest Toll Road Operator in the Philippines
Operating the main road arteries to Northern Luzon
North Luzon Expressway – 67% interest in concession extending to 2037
Subic Clark Tarlac Expressway – operated by affiliate TMC and working with government for turn-over of concession
MPTC is currently the biggest toll road operator in the Philippines with more than 800 lane-kilometers of toll roads under its management.


RAMON ANG
http://www.sanmiguel.com.ph/business...nfrastructure/

Infrastructure
Tollways and Airports
Phase 1 of the P19 billion, 88.5 kilometer two-lane Tarlac-Pangasinan-La Union Expressway began April 2010 and will take two-and-a-half years to complete. As administrator of the toll project, SMC will provide management services, toll collection, traffic safety and security management, toll road maintenance and other related services.

In October 2010, SMC finalized a deal to acquire 51% interest in Universal LRT Corp. Ltd., the company in charge of developing the Metro Rail Transit Line 7 (MRT7), a planned 22-kilometer-long rail line, starting from San Jose del Monte in Bulacan and ending in North Avenue in Quezon City.

San Miguel also owns the Caticlan Airport concession-holder TransAire Development Holdings Corporation which is currently overseeing the modernization of the airport. Long-term expansion projects involve the construction of a bigger airport passenger terminal, extension of the existing runway from 950 meters to 2,100 meters, improvement of the road network and upgrading of airport facilities and air traffic control aids.

[anonymous_filipino]

For Cavite, the only way to build an airport that is as ambitious as SMC-PAL's proposed airport is to reclaim land near the area of Kawit and Cavite City. There are no available flat lands in the interior of Cavite (Trece Martires City area) since the interior of Cavite is already very built up. The only available flat land I can think of is at the area of Naic and Ternate but the challenge there is the presence of a mountain range that stretches up to Nasugbu, Batangas. That mountain range is part of the ancient volcano where Taal Volcano is currently located.

[NTprime]

Originally Posted by anonymous_filipino

For Cavite, the only way to build an airport that is as ambitious as SMC-PAL's proposed airport is to reclaim land near the area of Kawit and Cavite City. There are no available flat lands in the interior of Cavite (Trece Martires City area) since the interior of Cavite is already very built up. The only available flat land I can think of is at the area of Naic and Ternate but the challenge there is the presence of a mountain range that stretches up to Nasugbu, Batangas. That mountain range is part of the ancient volcano where Taal Volcano is currently located.

Exactly what I was telling the stubborn one who insists that it will be Ternate. Constructing an airport close to a hill is acceptable (e.g. Legaspi and Caticlan), but to build too close to a mountain range is dangerous - planes will have problems landing in heavy fog. And the southeast to northwest approach to the Naic area will still pass by the mountains near Taal. If Taal spews a few more ashclouds (like what it's been doing these past few years), you'll have a more serious problem on a semi-regular basis.

[fieldsofdreams]

Question: it seems like there is "some" land available in Alfonso... Is it a good place to build the new airport, or is it too far? I think it may be one of the last verges of open space available in Cavite, but I don't know if it's worth a shot.

Anyhow, I have proposed an idea of shortening walk times between the airport door and a gate: how can that be achieved at the new airport?

[anonymous_filipino]

Originally Posted by fieldsofdreams

Question: it seems like there is "some" land available in Alfonso... Is it a good place to build the new airport, or is it too far? I think it may be one of the last verges of open space available in Cavite, but I don't know if it's worth a shot.

Anyhow, I have proposed an idea of shortening walk times between the airport door and a gate: how can that be achieved at the new airport?

Next door neighbor ng Alfonso is Tagaytay City itself. Alfonso, Cavite is also located at the mountains of Tagaytay, but the sloping gradient is gentle, but still, hindi pa rin flat land ang Alfonso.

[philippinearena]

Originally Posted by anonymous_filipino

Next door neighbor ng Alfonso is Tagaytay City itself. Alfonso, Cavite is also located at the mountains of Tagaytay, but the sloping gradient is gentle, but still, hindi pa rin flat land ang Alfonso.

Saka base dun sa news ay northwest of Makati.

[NTprime]

Originally Posted by anonymous_filipino

Next door neighbor ng Alfonso is Tagaytay City itself. Alfonso, Cavite is also located at the mountains of Tagaytay, but the sloping gradient is gentle, but still, hindi pa rin flat land ang Alfonso.

And Alfonso is too far (even farther than Naic). You will easily take more than 30 minutes to get to Makati even if the SLEX (plus the CaLa expressway) is extended all the way to there.

[fieldsofdreams]

I think so too, and I think it draws down to location and geography. A lot of the land area in Cavite is already heavily built-up now that creating an airport there is close to impossible... What about Santa Rosa City, Laguna near Enchanted Kingdom? Would that work too?

[NTprime]

Originally Posted by fieldsofdreams

I think so too, and I think it draws down to location and geography. A lot of the land area in Cavite is already heavily built-up now that creating an airport there is close to impossible... What about Santa Rosa City, Laguna near Enchanted Kingdom? Would that work too?

Santa Rosa is too built up already. You'll have problems with NIMBYs.

[rockyg]

Originally Posted by fieldsofdreams

I think so too, and I think it draws down to location and geography. A lot of the land area in Cavite is already heavily built-up now that creating an airport there is close to impossible... What about Santa Rosa City, Laguna near Enchanted Kingdom? Would that work too?

faultlines must be considered also on site selection



http://ecoslva1.wordpress.com/tag/earthquake/

[NTprime]

Guys I have declared a moratorium in the Clark thread. I won't be answering theabe there until he brings the proper discussion here.

Some of you have already considered him a troll given his stubborness on insisting things that only he believes in and the others do not.