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Old December 11th, 2014, 01:10 AM   #221
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Incidentally, if you Google either "Wikipedia lane discipline" or "lane discipline definition," you come upon this very thread before you've hit post 50. (In the former case, before post 25.) That's one indication of how universally known the lane discipline purist's rule really is.
Actually it doesn't show anything. Most people don't bother searching specific things like lane discipline,most people would search how to drive on the motorway. From there they would go to any website but mostly the highway code and yahoo are popular and people are informed there as how to drive on the motorway.

Actually most people in the Uk, Netherlands, France, Belgium, Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Spain, Portugal, Switzerland, Austria and many other European countries know the law. And it is actually the law in Canada and many Us states, it's just the Police let you away with it.
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Old December 11th, 2014, 01:22 AM   #222
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driving...ane_discipline:
(..)On the UK's busiest roads, where there may be four or more lanes in each direction, there is often a situation where overtaking becomes continual as each successive lane moves at a slightly faster speed than that to its left."

Which is exactly what I've been advocating since Post One of this thread.
Well, in reality (reality based on my experience and observations) there is more often a situation where:

lane 1 - mostly occupied by lorries (occupied but not congested - no comparison to that amount of trucks on Dutch or Belgian motorways) and saving fuel minicabs literally stuck to their bumpers. There are also some cars driven by reasonable drivers, aware of one of the two most basic motorway traffic rules - keep left and 70 mph limit, who just pulled over after overtaking.
lane 2 - an Irish lorry with over-scaled velocity limiter, coach, then clear for 3/4 mile.
lane 3 - full of white vans (morning and late afternoon) driving well over speed limit or cars (all other periods of the day) constantly accelerating, decelerating and even braking for no obvious reason.
lane 4 - twice as much more vehicles than on lane 3, actually moving slower than vans on lane 3, coaches on lane 2 and minicabs on lane 1.
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Old December 11th, 2014, 06:04 AM   #223
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You`re talking UK here. Nothing makes sense in the UK, whether it's lane discipline, health and safety or politicall correctness. They completley lost the plot.
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Old December 13th, 2014, 01:21 AM   #224
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It could be worse. You could be France
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Old December 13th, 2014, 04:01 AM   #225
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France is the best. Also when it comes to lane discipline.
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Old December 14th, 2014, 12:50 AM   #226
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You're joking, right? Maybe it appears that they are, since traffic on most autoroutes are relatively light, but as traffic gets heavier, lane discipline gets horrible, especially around Paris. Not to mention Parisian motorcyclists who feel the suicidal need to overtake by driving between two trucks (on the already very narrow lanes) at 90km/h in fluent traffic.

The most dreadfull country in the western world when it comes to lane discipline must be Italy. I've seen people going from the merging lane to lane 2 or even lane 3 at 50 - 60 km/h without using indicators, crossing solid lines and without any traffic on the right lanes. This is pure insanity. At the same time some people will aggressively beam you, horn you or tailgate you away when you dare to drive eg 100km/h on the left lane in a 80km/h work area...
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Old December 14th, 2014, 03:24 AM   #227
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But that's Italy... why would you even go there if not for that. It would be like Italy without Italian food or without shouting
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Old December 16th, 2014, 01:11 AM   #228
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Indeed, it is. Italy is a wonderful country in many different ways, but unfortunately they have about the worst drivers of europe.
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Old May 7th, 2015, 07:26 AM   #229
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Europe should get american rule.
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Old May 7th, 2015, 03:10 PM   #230
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Thank you for your well-founded and well-argumented opinion. We can all learn from this.
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Old May 9th, 2015, 10:10 PM   #231
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Europe should get american rule.
Why?
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Old June 22nd, 2015, 06:40 PM   #232
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Almost a year passed since it happened...

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A motorist has been convicted of careless driving for ‘hogging’ the middle motorway lane, in what is believed to be the first case of its kind.

The offence took place on the M62 near Huddersfield on August 25 last year.

Police say that a man was driving at 60mph in the middle lane, despite the fact that the inside lane was free.

Leeds Magistrates Court was told that six drivers had to brake and then overtake the Citroen Berlingo van.

The driver was described as having been given ample opportunity to change lanes in order to facilitate other road users.

The driver was convicted in court and given five points on his license. He will also have to pay a £500 fine, £400 in costs and a £40 victim surcharge.



The case is believed to be the first conviction in the UK for ‘lane hogging’.

The Highway Code stipulates: “You should always drive in the left-hand lane when the road ahead is clear.”

“If you are overtaking a number of slower-moving vehicles, you should return to the left-hand lane as soon as you are safely past.”

The government introduced new laws to clamp down on the behaviour in August 2013, include penalty points and on-the-spot fines.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-10335040.html
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Old June 22nd, 2015, 11:07 PM   #233
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Almost a year passed since it happened...



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-10335040.html
The offence is normally a standard fixed penalty - £100 and 3 points, issued by a Notice of Intended Prosecution which gives you the chance to pay the fine and get the points before it goes to court. If it goes to court, as in this case, then the fine and points are greater.

Hence I reckon that there will be many more who have been fined who have taken the option to take it on the chin and pay up. This will be the first case that actually went to court.
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Old June 27th, 2017, 12:31 PM   #234
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Trucks Overtaking Trucks

I recently returned from a two-week trip to Sweden, Denmark, Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg. What always surprises me, is the repeating event of a truck overtaking another one on a two-lane carriageway. The difference of the speed is always less than 1 kilometer per hour. Thus, the overtaking driver blocks the road for several kilometers. Most of the shock waves of the traffic are results from these heroic actions. The gained time saving might be even some 30 seconds per 100 kilometers.

My non-scientific observation is interesting: 75 per cent of these hero-driven trucks were pulled by a tractor registered in Poland. Is this ill-behavior a reflection of a medieval Polish traffic culture or is there an obligation to be a moron in order to get a truck driver's license in Poland?
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Old June 27th, 2017, 12:39 PM   #235
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On the Italian A21 Turin-Piacenza there are a lot of these events, but the nationality of the drivers is not an issue. Everyone does that, and it is allowed (except for some short sections near steeper inclines).
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Old June 27th, 2017, 12:58 PM   #236
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In Italy, of course, yes, but why?
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Old June 27th, 2017, 01:21 PM   #237
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In Italy, of course, yes, but why?
What do you mean, why? Because. You are telling me an empty truck must endure hundreds of km behind a full loaded one with no possibility to overtake?

I don't like them when they overtake each other, of course, but me not liking it is not a sufficient reason to ban the overtake altogether.
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Old June 28th, 2017, 02:53 AM   #238
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just ban the 90 km/h speed limiters and the problem wouldn't be so bad.
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Old June 30th, 2017, 04:24 AM   #239
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When I drove tractor trailer in the US, my employer had its trucks set at 60mph cruise, but if you pushed on the foot-pedal you could accelerate to 63mph for passing. The downside was that holding down the accelerator past the cruise speed, one would slowly erode at their quarterly bonus. Believe me, even though my cruise was maxed at 60mph, I still had to pass some others on the road, especially campers.

Something similar could be applied across the pond; If the employer doesn't offer bonuses, set the cruise at one speed and the accelerator at a few kph higher. To thwart anyone who might merely hold down the cruise the whole time of driving, an employer could institute time limits on the maxed accelerator. Example, a driver can only hold down the accelerator beyond the cruise speed for only 180 seconds before the vehicle resumes cruise speed, and will not allow extra-acceleration for 5 minutes. Then said driver may resume maxed accerlerator beyond cruise speed, again for only 180 seconds.
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