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Old November 12th, 2012, 09:34 PM   #61
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From Pennsylvania's traffic regulations...
Note it says "shall be driven in the right-hand lanes." Plural.
Actually, I was rooting around on American sites yesterday evening to figure out what the law actually is, and it's hard to tell. At least in the specific situation that prompted me to open this thread: a freeway with more than two lanes each way where everyone's in the right lane. It is not at all self-evident to me that that's the best way to use three (or more) lanes. I am 100% in agreement with our European friends that you should pass on the left (right, in the British Isles, etc.) and will admit that way too many Americans seem to be unaware of that.
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Old November 13th, 2012, 12:06 AM   #62
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I am 100% in agreement with our European friends that you should pass on the left (right, in the British Isles, etc.) and will admit that way too many Americans seem to be unaware of that.
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Old November 13th, 2012, 01:55 AM   #63
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Old November 13th, 2012, 11:29 AM   #64
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Note it says "shall be driven in the right-hand lanes." Plural.
Actually, I was rooting around on American sites yesterday evening to figure out what the law actually is, and it's hard to tell. At least in the specific situation that prompted me to open this thread: a freeway with more than two lanes each way where everyone's in the right lane. It is not at all self-evident to me that that's the best way to use three (or more) lanes. I am 100% in agreement with our European friends that you should pass on the left (right, in the British Isles, etc.) and will admit that way too many Americans seem to be unaware of that.
I think there are differences in legislation across countries, because of conditions vary heavily.

For example, the Finnish rules for motorways are rather simple:

- The "drive right overtake left" principle is the base rule
- No U-turns, no backing up, no parking, no stopping
- If there are more than two lanes per direction, trucks and any combinations longer than 7 metres must use the two rightmost lanes only
- Overtaking on the right is allowed if the left lane is congested, if the right lane is signed to branch, or if the right lane is a bus lane and the vehicle is using it legally
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Old November 13th, 2012, 11:39 AM   #65
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You just can't apply European lane discipline in the US. But as long as I drive in Europe, I keep to the rightmost lane as long as I can. There are obiously situations where this isn't possible, for example when the right lane is full of trucks or there are too many junctions.
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Old November 13th, 2012, 01:04 PM   #66
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You just can't apply European lane discipline in the US. But as long as I drive in Europe, I keep to the rightmost lane as long as I can. There are obiously situations where this isn't possible, for example when the right lane is full of trucks or there are too many junctions.
If the right-hand lane is full of trucks, you overtake them, right? So the keep right unless overtaking rule still applies nevertheless.
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Old November 14th, 2012, 01:03 AM   #67
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If there is no traffic slower than you on your right (left in the UK), then there shouldn't be any traffic on your right at all (cue you should be in the right-most lane). If there is traffic faster than you on your right then YOU ARE IN THE WRONG LANE!
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Old November 14th, 2012, 08:31 AM   #68
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If there is no traffic slower than you on your right (left in the UK), then there shouldn't be any traffic on your right at all (cue you should be in the right-most lane). If there is traffic faster than you on your right then YOU ARE IN THE WRONG LANE!
Exactly .
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If the right-hand lane is full of trucks, you overtake them, right? So the keep right unless overtaking rule still applies nevertheless.
Definitely.
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Old November 14th, 2012, 04:29 PM   #70
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You just can't apply European lane discipline in the US. But as long as I drive in Europe, I keep to the rightmost lane as long as I can. There are obiously situations where this isn't possible, for example when the right lane is full of trucks or there are too many junctions.
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Old November 14th, 2012, 07:50 PM   #71
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Too many people are under the assumption that it's difficult to keep to the right, when the right-hand lane is full of trucks. That doesn't matter, because if you are moving faster then trucks, it is alright to use overtaking lanes to overtake them. You can stay on these lanes until the far right lane becomes clear again.
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Too many people are under the assumption that it's difficult to keep to the right, when the right-hand lane is full of trucks. That doesn't matter, because if you are moving faster then trucks, it is alright to use overtaking lanes to overtake them. You can stay on these lanes until the far right lane becomes clear again.
Ah but I might hit a queue of slow moving trucks in *just* 15 minutes and will have to move out AGAIN!
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I drove in Spain last year and was amazed by the good behaviour of Spanish drivers in motorways. Inside cities I was amazed by their aggressiveness
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Old November 14th, 2012, 09:07 PM   #75
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Spain is very big... Near Madrid is very common to find bad drivers.

What cities did you visited last year?
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Old November 14th, 2012, 09:14 PM   #76
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Spain is very big... Near Madrid is very common to find bad drivers.

What cities did you visited last year?
I drove inside Granada (worst drivers of all), Cadiz, Sevilla, Cordoba, La Linea de la Concepcion, Algeciras, Marbella. I drove in motorways all over Andalucia (you can see that in my signature).

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There should be a big public awareness program to address bad lane discipline and encourage the cops to enforce it.
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Old November 15th, 2012, 10:38 AM   #78
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I drove in Spain last year and was amazed by the good behaviour of Spanish drivers in motorways. Inside cities I was amazed by their aggressiveness


as a spaniard i do agree here with you. In general terms driving behavioùr oǹ the highways and motorways has improved a lot in the last years reaching quite a fair standard, there will be always a few exceptions, but in general terms driving outside cities is quite good.

On the other hand, city driving is not that good yet, and the deeper you go to the south the worse it gets. That's expecially shameful for me to reckon as i am also from the south, but in general terms driving in cities suchs as Seville,or smallers ones as Granada or Cadiz is way too agressive.

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Old November 15th, 2012, 03:06 PM   #80
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What's the red Citroën Picasso doing.

In general, lane discipline in the Netherlands is good, especially on multi-lane motorways. I tend to agree that on 2-lane motorways German discipline is slightly better, because people revert to the slow lane as soon as possible due to the speed differences on the overtaking lane.

It's not perfect in the Netherlands on multi-lane motorways, but better than in surrounding countries.
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