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Old November 18th, 2012, 02:16 AM   #121
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if there is a 2x4, that means huge traffic, so the rightmost lane is probably loaded with trucs, so you are at least on lane 2 all the time anyway. but yes, in theory, keep right whatever speed

but no one keeps right on some specific urban motorways. A4 in Paris, when it is 2x5, all lanes are equal.
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Old November 18th, 2012, 02:24 AM   #122
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Exactly. But what I wanna say is that if there's a truck to overtake every minute, you'll go back to the right lane on 2×2, but you'll keep driving on 2×4. On 2×3 it's not so easy to say, but I try to go back to the rightmost lane, if it doesn't become too much of a hassle.
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Old November 18th, 2012, 02:29 AM   #123
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yeah, all depends on the density of the right lane.
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Old November 18th, 2012, 11:11 AM   #124
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if there is a 2x4, that means huge traffic, so the rightmost lane is probably loaded with trucs, so you are at least on lane 2 all the time anyway. but yes, in theory, keep right whatever speed (..)
Hmmm....

Any justification for those who do not keep to the the left?







I had to make a detour from lane 1 through lane 3 to get back to the lane 1. Why?


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Old November 18th, 2012, 12:20 PM   #125
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I wouldn't have bothered. Is that the M6Toll/M42 interchange?
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Old November 18th, 2012, 05:25 PM   #126
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Hmmm....

Any justification for those who do not keep to the the left?
of course not
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Old November 18th, 2012, 05:25 PM   #127
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Old November 18th, 2012, 07:25 PM   #128
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Blue A6!
What's a blue A6?

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Now, on the topic at hand, I've decided that it must be a cultural difference. Reserving three lanes out of four for passing on roads like the one pictured, and constantly weaving in and out of the one permissible driving lane, makes sense to Europeans. And when I drive there, I promise to behave accordingly. No matter how daft it seems to me. Europeans driving here should likewise adjust, to sensible lane use. :-P

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Old November 18th, 2012, 08:10 PM   #129
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1000's of Americans who are using the motorways around Kaiserslautern in Germany everyday seem to have adapted well...
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Old November 18th, 2012, 08:12 PM   #130
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I'm glad to hear it.
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Old November 18th, 2012, 09:25 PM   #131
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What's a blue A6?
Blue car on lane 3 (Audi A6). It should not be there.

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Now, on the topic at hand, I've decided that it must be a cultural difference. Reserving three lanes out of four for passing on roads like the one pictured, and constantly weaving in and out of the one permissible driving lane, makes sense to Europeans.(..)
Actually, most of continental Europeans. British do not mind keep to the right at any time for no obvious reason.
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Old November 19th, 2012, 01:08 AM   #132
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I thought you meant route A6 and that it was marked in blue (either by mistake or because it's an A6(M))! But I wasn't seeing any such markings.
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Old November 26th, 2012, 03:13 PM   #133
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From the UK thread, where there's been an outbreak of Continental lane-discipline fetishism. :-P

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I honestly don't see the point of closing lanes off peak. Going further, should we close third lane on 3-lane motorways at night? There would be enough capacity on 2 lanes at night.
Do it just because some people don't stick to the left? It doesn't make any sense. This is not the best way do educate drivers.
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See my Lane Discipline thread. :-)

(Briefly...if anyone wants to go on with it, they can do it there...I don't see what is wrong with traffic distributing itself according to speed across all lanes but the one closest to the center of the road on freeways with three or more lanes each way. The idea that, if there are four lanes in a given direction, three are for passing only seems just barmy to me.)
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That's because it is barmy. The rule was invented when no roads had more than 2 lanes in any direction.
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I'm not sure why one of the so-called passing lanes has a "slow" in it.

[EDIT, I picked up the wrong two pics, but you get the point....]
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Old November 26th, 2012, 04:19 PM   #134
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But that's an urban road with lots of driveway accesses and on/off-ramps, so it's most probably not possible to stick to the leftmost lane if you're not turning off the road or merging to it. So it is wise to slow down when driving on that lane.

I don't know how it works in other countries, but in Spanish urban, non-motorway roads (this includes roads going through villages or industrial parks), you may drive on the lane you wish and overtake on both the left and the right.
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Old November 26th, 2012, 05:43 PM   #135
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I'm not sure why one of the so-called passing lanes has a "slow" in it.

[EDIT, I picked up the wrong two pics, but you get the point....]
It's standardish in the UK and Ireland to do so before a lot of things which might make people who are probably going too fast to slow down like a bend or something. Ireland also has 'very slow' and 'dead slow'.

The North Circular road is too busy and urban for intercity motorway lane discipline really anyway, parts of it are a normal 30mph single carriageway.

And to be honest, I can understand why people are complaining about lane discipline around London (which is worse than in the rest of the UK) but everyone drives like that around here. If I was half way up the M1 I might go around the blue A6 but on the M25 I would just undertake it, especially in the M25's wider and busier sections. I don't really think that it's possible to apply lane discipline in a city the size of London, it's to busy and there are too many exits for anyone to be arsed to do so. If it's not busy then I'll stick to the left (in fact I do most of the time) but if it's busy I won't, there's not much point. I understand that there's no justification sometimes, but most people in London don't care, and this probably applies to most if not all other major cities.

Perhaps I wouldn't undertake all the cars in the picture with several cars in the distance in the second to left lane but the blue A6 I would have. Not going 3 lanes across the M25 to overtake a car.

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Old June 5th, 2013, 06:55 PM   #136
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At last!

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People who "hog" the middle lane on the motorway could now be fined £100 and given points on their licence. But why is staying in the middle lane a bad thing?

Middle-lane "hogging" has gone on for years. It's common to see a situation where the left-hand lane is relatively empty but cars are still sitting in the middle lane instead of just using it for overtaking.

Part 264 of the Highway Code says: "You should always drive in the left-hand lane when the road ahead is clear. If you are overtaking a number of slower-moving vehicles, you should return to the left-hand lane as soon as you are safely past."

The Highways Agency tried signs in 2004 urging people to keep left but the problem has not been solved.
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Now the government has outlined its latest attempt to tackle this seemingly perennial problem. People who hog the middle lane will be subject to spot fines of £100 and points on their licence.
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Yes! Finally!
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Might be interesting:

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Old June 6th, 2013, 01:39 AM   #139
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^old. also, british and their teeth
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Old June 9th, 2013, 02:37 PM   #140
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Just drove from Arlanda to Örebro via Eskilstuna. On my way through Stockholm, I noticed that Swedish drivers can't drive when there's more than two lanes in each direction. I was in the rightmost lane for 20 km and it was the fastest lane. However, on 2+2 motorways, almost everyone keeps to the right.
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