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Old August 19th, 2013, 11:50 AM   #161
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Yes, but fines involving arbitrary valutations are easily disputable in court.
In my country, if there's no measuring equipment the police are always right in court. So if they say you were driving too close to the car in front of you, there's no way to prove them wrong.
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Old August 19th, 2013, 02:01 PM   #162
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In my country, if there's no measuring equipment the police are always right in court. So if they say you were driving too close to the car in front of you, there's no way to prove them wrong.
It's not the case of Italy, where many people go to the court ("Giudice di Pace", "Peace Judge", a court that usually solves petty controversies like disputes between neighbours) to protest against a fine because regarded unfair. And if you can prove that you was fined for breaking a rule that wasn't clear signposted (ambiguous or missing road signs and no general rule that forbid it), you may win.

The fine for "guida pericolosa" (reckless driving) is one of the most commonly disputed, because, unlikely speeding, parking violations, forbidden overtaking, etc... it's not objectively determinable but it depend by the subjective valutation of the cop.

The art. 141 Codice della Strada says that drivers must regulate their speed according to traffic conditions, road conditions, weather, visibility, etc... So if you drive at 40kph on a narrow urban alley full of pedestrians (general s.l. 50) or at 80kph on a snowy country road (general s.l. 90) you can get a ticket for reckless driving b\c your speed, albeit below the posted speed limit, isn't appropriate to the conditions. Useless to say that isn't easy to determine who respect that rule and who doesn't and there are many borderline situations where a fine can be debateable.
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Old August 19th, 2013, 02:46 PM   #163
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Yes, but fines involving arbitrary valutations are easily disputable in court.
You can easily validate it with the camera in the police car.
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Old August 20th, 2013, 12:24 PM   #164
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It's not the case of Italy, where many people go to the court ("Giudice di Pace", "Peace Judge", a court that usually solves petty controversies like disputes between neighbours) to protest against a fine because regarded unfair. And if you can prove that you was fined for breaking a rule that wasn't clear signposted (ambiguous or missing road signs and no general rule that forbid it), you may win.

The fine for "guida pericolosa" (reckless driving) is one of the most commonly disputed, because, unlikely speeding, parking violations, forbidden overtaking, etc... it's not objectively determinable but it depend by the subjective valutation of the cop.

The art. 141 Codice della Strada says that drivers must regulate their speed according to traffic conditions, road conditions, weather, visibility, etc... So if you drive at 40kph on a narrow urban alley full of pedestrians (general s.l. 50) or at 80kph on a snowy country road (general s.l. 90) you can get a ticket for reckless driving b\c your speed, albeit below the posted speed limit, isn't appropriate to the conditions. Useless to say that isn't easy to determine who respect that rule and who doesn't and there are many borderline situations where a fine can be debateable.
I didn't know that. In Spain, policemen are always right, so there's no way to dispute their decision.
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Old August 20th, 2013, 12:36 PM   #165
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I didn't know that. In Spain, policemen are always right, so there's no way to dispute their decision.
Way too much power.
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Old August 20th, 2013, 12:40 PM   #166
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Way too much power.
What is it like in Bella Italia? Can you argue with a police officer?
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What is it like in Bella Italia? Can you argue with a police officer?
Of course you can, they're not gods. But as italystf said you can challenge their decisions in court, and you can win.
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Old August 20th, 2013, 12:51 PM   #168
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Ok. German police officers for example think they're gods. You can say anything to a UK officer... They're there to provide you a service.
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I've never been stopped by police while I was living in Germany, so I have no experience in that sense. And that's odd, because I heard they have a thing for Italian-plated cars
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I mean that you can challenge a fine in court but if you use a rude language towards a cop you can be arrested for "oltraggio a pubblico officiale" (outrage towards a member of a police force).
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Old August 20th, 2013, 01:02 PM   #171
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And you can challenge that in court, too.
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Old August 20th, 2013, 01:03 PM   #172
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I've never been stopped by police while I was living in Germany, so I have no experience in that sense. And that's odd, because I heard they have a thing for Italian-plated cars
... And British plates. (as well as easter European). They've pulled me over loads of times. They're usually out here in unmarked cars at Rosenheim, where the motorways from Innsbruck and Salzburg come together. I do see a lot of Italians being pulled over.
You cannot argue with Germans, they're always right anyway. Arguing with French law enforcement officers is fun. At least they'll do their best to explain themselves, and it'll always end up in shaking hands after. I love the French
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Old August 20th, 2013, 01:07 PM   #173
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I've been stopped by the Italian police once. And they fined me for driving my 7.5 metre van in Portofino, where only 7 metres is allowed. 70 euro on the spot fine. I told them what I thought of them, and I got away with it. Got banned here last week for a lesser offence
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Old August 21st, 2013, 07:51 PM   #174
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You can say anything to a UK officer....
Within reason.

They are not going to appreciate it if you are aggressive or hurl insults at them!
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Old August 21st, 2013, 08:07 PM   #175
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Of course not...
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Old November 14th, 2013, 12:19 AM   #176
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"Class I Lane hogger"

I filmed this video couple of days ago on M1 near Luton. I posted it in real speed so it might be a little boring, however, it shows highest possible level of ignorance for one of the most basic traffic rule (we all know what rule I mean) It's, with no doubts, "class I lane hogging", sadly it's not anything I would have called exeptional, I've seen many truckers driving like here.



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Old November 28th, 2014, 04:10 PM   #177
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Genuinely can't stand people that lane hog and there arguments too.

"i'am doing the speed limit so I don't need to move into the 'slow' lane"

How do you even know you are going the speed limit?
Your speedometer could say your doing 70mph (113km/h) but you're actually only doing 68mph (109km/h) then someone who thinks there doing the speed limit comes behind you and is actually doing 73mph (117km/h). That's a difference of 5mph (8km/h). So why should you get to use lanes 2,3,4 ect when you're not even overtaking?

We spend billions of pounds widening motorways only to have people sit in the overtaking lanes meaning no one can overtake you. Ok ill admit that it can be hard on some urban motorways like the M8 where the exit is on the outside but apart from that you should be using the inside lane when the road ahead is clear and only use the other lanes if you need to overtake then move straight back in. Don't see what's so difficult about this.
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Old November 28th, 2014, 04:17 PM   #178
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People are lazy. More and more people can't even be bothered to indicate anymore...
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Old November 28th, 2014, 04:18 PM   #179
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Oy. Who started this thread?

Oh, right....
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Old November 28th, 2014, 04:55 PM   #180
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People are lazy. More and more people can't even be bothered to indicate anymore...
Tbh I don't mind if people don't indicate when there moving back into the left or right because it should be an extremely obvious manoeuvre but if your moving out to overtake then you should definitely indicate because that can be much less obvious manoeuvre.
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