South about to secede again?

[papa_spaz]

Thousands of residents from many states are signing online petitions to leave the United States following the reelection of President Obama. 25,000 signatures, the number the Obama administration says it will reward with a staff review of online proposals





States who have already met the minimum signatures are: Texas, Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, Louisiana, Alabama, and Tennessee.

States that are currently very close: Indiana, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Arizona, Mississippi, Kansas, Iowa, Maryland, Missouri, West Virgina, Wisconsin, Washington, and Colorado.



I honestly think nothing will come of this but it's good to see the Southeast stick together.






http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/14/wh...participation/

(In the article click on each state to see the current signatures)

[LSyd]

a better petition has already failed:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/1...t-in-the-dick/

“Peacefully grant the people of the United States of America to have Grover Norquist be brought forth in chains and put in a public pillory,” the petitioner wrote. “Once Grover Norquist has been secured, anyone who wishes will be allowed to punch him once, and only once, square in the dick.”
Raw Story (http://s.tt/1tCnu)

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[WeimieLvr]

Originally Posted by papa_spaz

Thousands of residents from many states are signing online petitions to leave the United States following the reelection of President Obama. 25,000 signatures, the number the Obama administration says it will reward with a staff review of online proposals





States who have already met the minimum signatures are: Texas, Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, Louisiana, Alabama, and Tennessee.

States that are currently very close: Indiana, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Arizona, Mississippi, Kansas, Iowa, Maryland, Missouri, West Virgina, Wisconsin, Washington, and Colorado.



I honestly think nothing will come of this but it's good to see the Southeast stick together.






http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/14/wh...participation/

This isn't the southeast sticking together...it's a tiny number of residents in states all over the country being big babies about the election results. People from all 50 states have filed a petition on that site, by the way.

(In the article click on each state to see the current signatures)

This isn't the southeast sticking together...it's a tiny number of residents in states all over the country being big babies about the election results. People from all 50 states have filed a petition on that site, by the way.

[papa_spaz]

Originally Posted by WeimieLvr

This isn't the southeast sticking together...it's a tiny number of residents in states all over the country being big babies about the election results.

It's more people than you think.

[600West218]

Amazing that people can be so ignorant as to sign such a petition. Did they not say the Pledge of Allegiance when they were in school?

If they are unhappy, they are free to pack up and move to any other country they like. But they aren't taking even a square inch of U.S. territory with them.

[musiccity]

Damn, there are nearly 115,000 signatures for Texas alone

That's like 0.5% of the Texan population

[Dale]

Originally Posted by LSyd

a better petition has already failed:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/1...t-in-the-dick/



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That sounds like a leftist solution, violence as first resort.

[Dale]

Originally Posted by WeimieLvr

This isn't the southeast sticking together...it's a tiny number of residents in states all over the country being big babies about the election results. People from all 50 states have filed a petition on that site, by the way.

Poll by the strident right-wing publication (sarcasm) Huffington Post shows 23% of all states' residents desiring to secede. So, while I agree with papa that this will come to naught, it doesn't appear to be a fringe phenomenon.

[Dale]

Originally Posted by 600West218

Amazing that people can be so ignorant as to sign such a petition. Did they not say the Pledge of Allegiance when they were in school?

If they are unhappy, they are free to pack up and move to any other country they like. But they aren't taking even a square inch of U.S. territory with them.

No dictator could have said it any better.

[Dale]

But if the petitions do succeed, secessionists will need to be patient. They'll need to get in line behind all the Democrats who vowed they were leaving the country in 2004.

[musiccity]

I don't want Mississippi to secede, we would become a third world country in like 2 minutes.

We depend on federal income

[Dale]

Originally Posted by musiccity

I don't want Mississippi to secede, we would become a third world country in like 2 minutes.

We depend on federal income

Sounds like the definition of a third world country already.

[musiccity]

Exactly, this place is already in bad condition.. secession will only make things worse.

Can't speak about other places though, Texas might actually fair well independently.

[Dale]

Originally Posted by musiccity

Exactly, this place is already in bad condition.. secession will only make things worse.

Can't speak about other places though, Texas might actually fair well independently.

Of all the states, Texas could probably pull it off. Consider that:

*Texas has one-fourth the US oil reserves and one-third the natural gas reserves. That sounds like leverage.

*Texas has its own power grid.

*Texas created ONE-MILLION jobs, during the recession, more than ALL the other states combined.

*If Texas was a country, it would have the 13th largest GDP in the world.

*Texas already knows how to secede. It's already seceded from two different countries.

[spencer114]

Edited, pocket post.

[desertpunk]

Originally Posted by Dale

Of all the states, Texas could probably pull it off. Consider that:

*Texas has one-fourth the US oil reserves and one-third the natural gas reserves. That sounds like leverage.

*Texas has its own power grid.

*Texas created ONE-MILLION jobs, during the recession, more than ALL the other states combined.

*If Texas was a country, it would have the 13th largest GDP in the world.

*Texas already knows how to secede. It's already seceded from two different countries.

Rick Perry has already disavowed any secession legislation in Texas. There's a separate secession movement that's existed there long before this latest kerfuffle over a silly White House online petition whose only effective purpose is to garner a "response" from the White House (none given thus far...). In the 2012 Election thread I posted two maps: one from 1860 showing 'slave states' vs 'free states' as well as the 2012 election results map. The two are amazingly similar. For all the last 150 years of integrationist progressivism, the geographic divide is just as stark now as in 1860 except the issue isn't slavery. Another map of county by country results shows a sea of red except for the most populous areas and areas along the northern and southern borders. But just as there are stark geographic splits between various states or regions, there's also geographic splits within many of these same states. And that's what makes secession anywhere very unlikely.

[Dale]

Originally Posted by desertpunk

Rick Perry has already disavowed any secession legislation in Texas. There's a separate secession movement that's existed there long before this latest kerfuffle over a silly White House online petition whose only effective purpose is to garner a "response" from the White House (none given thus far...). In the 2012 Election thread I posted two maps: one from 1860 showing 'slave states' vs 'free states' as well as the 2012 election results map. The two are amazingly similar. For all the last 150 years of integrationist progressivism, the geographic divide is just as stark now as in 1860 except the issue isn't slavery. Another map of county by country results shows a sea of red except for the most populous areas and areas along the northern and southern borders. But just as there are stark geographic splits between various states or regions, there's also geographic splits within many of these same states. And that's what makes secession anywhere very unlikely.

Summary thoughts:

*Yes, there are, in effect, two nations. Let others wring their hands about it. I rather like it.

*I'm guessing that the substantial majority of the signatories are people who'd be singing "God Bless America" had Romney won.

*Nevertheless, it's a capital idea.

*That said, a petition is a pathetic gesture. It smacks of "Please sir, may we leave ?" Just nut-up and leave. Oh right, they send in the tanks if you do.

*We already knew that Rick Perry was a big gubmint guy.

*Yep, too much water under the dam. The states are too contaminated by carpetbaggers to present a sufficiently united front.

*On the other hand, you'd have to imagine that a vast number of new Texans are refugees from high-tax regimes. And the HuffPo poll is rather stunning.

*One very large brake on secession is the prevalence of the (stupid) notion that somehow, secession entails cutting off relations with the former country. One woman even asked me, "Who would the Cowboys play ?" Stupid bitch.

[musiccity]

Hahahaha Dale I like you


Besides, why does the word 'secession' give people so much anger. If a region/state feels like their parent government is failing them, and it has the economic means to support itself, then secede.

[papa_spaz]

Originally Posted by musiccity

I don't want Mississippi to secede, we would become a third world country in like 2 minutes.

We depend on federal income

For Mississippi, I guess those people will just have to get jobs than depend on govt handouts. Whooops, is that anti Liberal policy.




Texas is the only state in the country that looks like it could be successful on their own. California is an economic disaster the way the rest of the United States is headed under Obama. Currently, Texas would be the 10th wealthiest nation in the world if they left the union. Why should Texas stay aboard a sinking ship?

Texas would be just like South Carolina in 1860. If they leave many others will follow. I could see the entire Southeast along with many other states such as: Missouri, West Virginia, Arizona, Kansas, Nebraska, Indiana, North and South Dakota also leaving. This would not be a third world country but a powerful one with Texas anchoring it down.

[musiccity]

Originally Posted by papa_spaz

For Mississippi, I guess those people will just have to get jobs than depend on govt handouts. Whooops, is that anti Liberal policy.




Texas is the only state in the country that looks like it could be successful on their own. California is an economic disaster the way the rest of the United States is headed under Obama. Currently, Texas would be the 10th wealthiest nation in the world if they left the union. Why should Texas stay aboard a sinking ship?

Texas would be just like South Carolina in 1860. If they leave many others will follow. I could see the entire Southeast along with many other states such as: Missouri, West Virginia, Arizona, Kansas, Nebraska, Indiana, North and South Dakota also leaving. This would not be a third world country but a powerful one with Texas anchoring it down.

Yes, but I'm talking about Mississippi as an independent country.. wouldn't work well. And "get jobs" isn't exactly an easy answer... the economy of MS is terrible and would be even worse if Independent.