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Old June 16th, 2013, 08:54 PM   #2541
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Old June 16th, 2013, 09:01 PM   #2542
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The highest tower in western Europe, the Millennium Tower in Frankfurt (at least 350m) is still planned.
That will happen but only in your wet dream mate bcos the mighty moscow is already building 510m tall building.
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Old June 16th, 2013, 09:07 PM   #2543
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Only in your wet dream mate bcos the mighty moscow is already building 510m tall building.
Lakhta Center in Saint Petersburg- 463m. U/C


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Old June 16th, 2013, 09:13 PM   #2544
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That will happen but only in your wet dream mate bcos the mighty moscow is already building 510m tall building.
so you think Moscow is in western europe? lol
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Old June 16th, 2013, 09:13 PM   #2545
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That will happen but only in your wet dream mate bcos the mighty moscow is already building 510m tall building.
But there was also talk of Western Europe. Not from Eastern Europe.
In any case, we would then be forced London to its knees.
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Old June 16th, 2013, 09:14 PM   #2546
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Old June 16th, 2013, 10:40 PM   #2547
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Agree, Warsaw has some impressive buildings. My favourite is the Palace of Culture, one of the few skyscrapers in Europe one could classify as historic.

...an educational interlude if you may...
The Pasta tower in Warsaw was first skyscraper built in 1904 at 60m with 11 floors - like a castle. It was first structure made out of reinforced concrete. MUCH more historic than 'Palace of Culture'



The Prudential Tower in Warsaw was tallest skyscraper in 1931 at 18 floors
at 66m. It was in nice art-deco style. MUCH more historic than 'Palace of Culture'



The Germans were very jealous and tried to blow it up




And this is what the Russians did to it after (becuase the Germans could not knock it down lol). They turned a nice building into this monstrosity.





In the late 30's before the war broke out - Warsaw was planning the construction of another very tall art-deco tower in the centre. After the war - the Russians hijacked these plans and once again turned a nice building into the 'Palace of Culture'. It is only famous because of the controversial nature of what it was designed to symbolise - the 'desired' Russian dominance over Poland. There are many less famous examples of these towers in Moscow. The Palace of Culture will apparently be turned into a museum of communism.

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Old June 16th, 2013, 10:53 PM   #2548
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Well, I'd rather have a beautiful city center and skyscrapers "on the outskirts" than a center with no historic value.
center.
Integrity and Soul are more important. Historical value is irrelevant when it comes to skylines. As established on this forum - American skylines are most impressive - and American cities have very little 'historic value'.
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Old June 16th, 2013, 11:08 PM   #2549
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so you think Moscow is in western europe? lol
He wrote like the tallest building in europe in his original post. Pls dont criticise if u dont know thoroughly.
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Old June 17th, 2013, 12:00 AM   #2550
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The reality is that there are surprisingly few cities worldwide recognisable to even a tiny percent of the world's population - even some pretty well known cities.

Who (sports stadiums aside) would really be able to recognise the skylines of Manchester, San Diego, Perth, Oslo, Calcutta, Durban, ...


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Man seriously? what is it about Manchester that you can recognize ? old trafford stadium ? I can only recognize Manchester if I see Wayne Rooney scoring a goal in old trafford

Again San Diego? hmm I mean I love the city and I've lived there for sometime but again if you live in India or Thailand or Greece you cant just recognize San Diego by its skyline, its much easier when it comes to San Francisco because of the (GG) bridge , and please dont even attempt to squeeze Oslo,Calcutta or any Scandinavian city in that category believe me ( I personally havent seen these cities on this website nor even planning to travel there any time soon no offence intended)

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Old June 17th, 2013, 12:16 AM   #2551
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Man seriously? what is it about Manchester that you can recognize ? old trafford stadium ? I can only recognize Manchester if I see Wayne Rooney scoring a goal in old trafford

Again San Diego? hmm I mean I love the city and I've lived there for sometime but again if you live in India or Thailand or Greece you cant just recognize San Diego by its skyline, its much easier when it comes to San Francisco because of the (GG) bridge , and please dont even attempt to squeeze Oslo,Calcutta or any Scandinavian city in that category believe me ( I personally havent seen these cities on this website nor even planning to travel there any time soon no offence intended)
I think it was his exact point
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Old June 17th, 2013, 12:16 AM   #2552
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^ I was about to say the same thing


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He wrote like the tallest building in europe in his original post. Pls dont criticise if u dont know thoroughly.
Mate you even quoted him saying 'Western Europe' so who are you trying to fool?
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Old June 17th, 2013, 12:26 AM   #2553
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I think it was his exact point
I used my phone to read it so didnt have a full view of his post but I guess I agree with him, but then I think Vladivostok is still a known city you can recognize it by its large cable bridge and many people in Asia, Oceania and North America know about that city!

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Old June 17th, 2013, 01:05 AM   #2554
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Old June 17th, 2013, 01:17 AM   #2555
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Mate you even quoted him saying 'Western Europe' so who are you trying to fool?
He edited the original post before i was fast enough to response him. I have been writing you guys only on my phone as i am out until now. Anyway nobody will be able to compete with moscow in terms of height and total number of supertalls.
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Old June 17th, 2013, 01:29 AM   #2556
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Integrity and Soul are more important. Historical value is irrelevant when it comes to skylines. As established on this forum - American skylines are most impressive - and American cities have very little 'historic value'.
Dude, are you trying to tell me that this skyline:





(I know we were talking about Paris, but hence the last post was generalised and I don't have any good photo of Paris' historical center skyline and Prague is said to have "hundred-towered" skyline and one of the best historical skylines in the world...)

is shit because it does not has monstrous glass-concrete-steel skyscrapers between the medieval churches in the historical center? I say that if you look at a skyline of a city that goes like historical towers in the front and mighty world-class skyscrapers in the background, it looks way better than just a bunch of skyscrapers with no value whatsoever. It has soul, it has integrity, it has contrast. I bet you have never been to any city with a historical center and never saw a skyline of any historical city.

Even better - London. You have a nice mixture and contrast between the old and the new.
And the best of the best is if you have historical skyscrapers and city center maybe not that old, maybe not medieval, but with that spark of history and feeling of the past contrasting with modern architecture, which is the reason why New York is so wonderfull.

And you are arguing, that we don't eevaluate the whole city, just its skyline. If we evaluate just the look of the skyline, why is it so important for you to be the skyscrapers district alive at night? I think you are just being anxious that you don't have a historical city center in your city and want to feel that your city is superior over major european metropoles just because it is "USA-like" making various excuses on the way. Which is the oldest and most famous complex of people of post-commie countries. USA is not the leader in skylines anymore, most of places in most of the top 10 lists were taken by asian countries recently although NY may be still the best in the most of these lists.

Every city is beautiful, every city is unique and yes, Warsaw is too, but it is not better than London, Paris, Moscow... Just get over it. I advice you to move to another country and try living there for some time, then you will stop having those pseudopatriotic thoughts and pseudopatriotic ego and realize the real value of cities you visit and stop comparing them with your hometown because you are comparing uncomparable, everyone here tries to tell that to you. If you have really been to Paris or London, you would never say words you say now, because you would realize the uniqueness and uncomparability of the both cities.

You can't even compare types of urbanism, for example, in Paris and in London. It is just so unique in its way, just for example, Paris looks a little bit "artificial" or "unnatural" which is not bad, because of the whole urban planning thing, but in detail, you see that every skyscraper is different and that it has the diversity you would expect and you may find the whole esplanade thing amazing piece of engineering and urban planning and find it brilliant. London, on the other hand, looks more natural from perspective as it looks natural in detail, you see the development you would expect, with little urban planning, but still gorgeous. Maybe you could find it a bit messy in closer look, however, with the best of the best architecture in the world and the most unique buildings that became icons and inspiration for many. That being said, I would sum it up that London and Paris style of development has its... well, I can't find the word, because they are not really advantages and disadvantages, they are just feelings, good and... and not even bad feelings, just different, maybe a little bit... I don't know... contradictive feelings? I think that is hard to understand what I really want to say but it is also really hard to express it Not talking about Moscow, that is a separate case... However, I have not been to Moscow, so I can't really tell.

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there's no doubt that moscow is such an underrated city. i think this is because of the political reasons and i guess it has something to do with the russian government's engagement in the international affairs. this city truly deserves to be ranked among some of the world's finest global cities. dude the other day i was watching a new action film called "a good day to die hard" which is entirely shot in moscow and in this film you can see a bit of the rising mighty moscow skyline as well. tall buildings in moscow business centre were barely visible when other european rivals such as frankfurt and la defense already had a huge amount of tall buildings in their central business districts back in the day, but hey look at moscow which has already joined "the big four" of europe and as the matter of fact, it is now one of leading skylines in the entire europe and in terms of height it is untouchable. i am totally impressed by the architecture, height, potential and future projects of this mighty city. Go Russia!!!
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apologies for the enormous size of this panoramic shot of the financial capital of eurozone "frankfurt"

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Old June 17th, 2013, 05:11 AM   #2560
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Awesome!
yeah mate after overall consideration of many aspects such as quality, quantity, dynamism, icon, potential, height, originality, creativity, architecture, design, colour, light, total number of proposed/approved 100m+ buildings etc i think london is no.1 in europe as it is the only city that has two massive world class financial districts and skylines which are both growing with a significant rate and competing each other in their own ways.
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