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Old December 31st, 2012, 01:00 PM   #261
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^ Since you're from Italy..
Well, I like the Naples cluster, it's decently massive, but I think it lacks a bit in quality (of course not like Benidorm, however it's far away from it regarding the size of the skyline).
Well I'm from northern Italy, not from Naples.

I agree on that, the quality is not great. The cluster was designed by Kenzo Tange in the 80's. Still, together with La Defense is the only area in Europe built following the ideas of Le Corbusier, the ideal city of skyscrapers. In the Centro Direzionale of Naples there are no cars, streets are at underground level, whereas on the surface it's all pedestrian area.
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Old December 31st, 2012, 02:58 PM   #262
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no pedestrian doesn't mean quality!
Canary wharf has little roads and plazas and trust me it is a delight to walk there.

But in general i prefer cluster built on the middle of the city like the american model.
When you build in the middle of streets you create an continuous atmosphere with the city like they do in london.

Everybody can see the architecture as a vibrant part of the nature of the town.
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Old December 31st, 2012, 07:53 PM   #263
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no pedestrian doesn't mean quality!
Canary wharf has little roads and plazas and trust me it is a delight to walk there.

But in general i prefer cluster built on the middle of the city like the american model.
When you build in the middle of streets you create an continuous atmosphere with the city like they do in london.

Everybody can see the architecture as a vibrant part of the nature of the town.
I acutally agree with you, in fact La Defense is not my fav skyline and cluster in Europe. I prefer Frankfurt, which is well integrated in the city. I like the City of London and Warsaw for the same reason.

Still, i think it was worth pointing out this peculiarity of Naples. I wonder how many people here knew about it
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Old December 31st, 2012, 08:06 PM   #264
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Just as information: Poland is in Central-Europe, not Eastern-Europe
It is geographically but not politically.
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Old December 31st, 2012, 09:35 PM   #265
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It is politically but not historically.
Central Europe isn't Western Europe, is it?

Oh come on! Let's talk about hmm Best European Skyline...?
There's one picture of Warsaw. I've seen it today on the news. It's dated ~April 2012 but it's quite good to sum up 2012!

Happy New Year!

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Old January 1st, 2013, 12:50 AM   #266
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Old January 1st, 2013, 07:10 PM   #267
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Old January 2nd, 2013, 01:46 AM   #268
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Love the soviet skyscrapers
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Old January 2nd, 2013, 04:08 AM   #269
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should be the Russian skyscrapers.
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Old January 2nd, 2013, 04:58 AM   #270
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I disagree with harrypowell
For example Moscow has a very impressive skyscraper skyline but quite small (in larger views the skyline is quite avarage). Paris has a very good density (probabily only Naples and maybe London have similar highrises density into an European cluster) but for all the other parameters Frankfurt seems superior to me. In London the skyscrapers are too much spread all around the city and it makes it less impressive than it could be.
There are 2 different attitudes to build skyscrapers in Europe: the first one is dedicating to the skyscrapers an "isolated" area (Paris, Naples, Moscow..), the second one is to have skyscrapers growing as a "spontaneous" element of the city, eventually also in the city center (Frankfurt, Warsaw, Milan). I prefer the second attitude. London seems somewhere in the middle.
I wrote all this just to explain that there are many elements to judge a skyline, and everybody has it's own parameters and tastes.
I love this variety that Europe has.
I agree with almost everything you say here. Great post.

Still, i think you have to take into account a cities overall size ect..

I have trouble comparing Paris and Frankfurt tbh .. I know Franfurt looks pretty and impressive in photos .. but even in some of these you get a sense of just how small Frankfurt is in comparison with your Paris' and Moscows' ect..
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Old January 2nd, 2013, 04:46 PM   #272
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Happy New Year every one my January 2013 ranking

First tier
1. Moscow
2. London
3. Frankfurt
4. Paris

Second tier
1. Madrid
2. Yekatrinberg
3. Milan
4. Rotterdam
5. Istanbul


Third tier
1. Novosibirsk
2. Vienna
3. Birmingham
4. Warsaw ( Warsaw is some how overrated it's building are too short)
5. Berlin
6. St petersberg
7. Dortmund
8. Manchester
9. Barcelona
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Old January 2nd, 2013, 05:29 PM   #273
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Most of them are the same height as Paris and London, except the shard of course . And more talls to come.

Almost finished, T/O already

Zlota 44 (Daniel Liebeskind, same as the new Ground Zero project) - 192m
Cosmopolitan Tower (Helmut Jahn) - 160m

Plans for Warsaw the coming years:
Warsaw Spire - 220m, U/C
Echo Tower - 155m U/C
Mennica - 130m
Ilmet - 188m
Torca Towers - 190m & 130m
Liberty tower 130m
And more for sure

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Old January 2nd, 2013, 05:52 PM   #274
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Happy New Year every one my January 2013 ranking

First tier
1. Moscow
2. London
3. Frankfurt
4. Paris

Second tier
1. Madrid
2. Yekatrinberg
3. Milan
4. Rotterdam
5. Istanbul


Third tier
1. Novosibirsk
2. Vienna
3. Birmingham
4. Warsaw ( Warsaw is some how overrated it's building are too short)
5. Berlin
6. St petersberg
7. Dortmund
8. Manchester
9. Barcelona
Too many Russian cities
Only the first tier makes sense///
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Old January 2nd, 2013, 05:52 PM   #275
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Happy New Year every one my January 2013 ranking

First tier
1. Moscow
2. London
3. Frankfurt
4. Paris

Second tier
1. Madrid
2. Yekatrinberg
3. Milan
4. Rotterdam
5. Istanbul


Third tier
1. Novosibirsk
2. Vienna
3. Birmingham
4. Warsaw ( Warsaw is some how overrated it's building are too short)
5. Berlin
6. St petersberg
7. Dortmund
8. Manchester
9. Barcelona
"Skyscrapers" in Warsaw for sure aren't supertalls.
However when it comes to Europe Warsaw is the same league as Rotterdam.
Warsaw has much more and also taller highrises than Milan, Yekaterinburg, Vienna, Novosibirsk or Birmingham which you put higher in your ranking.
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Old January 2nd, 2013, 07:21 PM   #276
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My favorites:

1. Frankfurt
2. Paris
3. Rotterdam
4. Warzaw
5. Moscow

I really love the 'old' Moscow, as opposed to that new cluster, which just seems so out of place. Now my listing is based solely on aestethics. Warzaw really looks like a miniature Manhattan, and at nighttime it looks amazing. Frankfurt is a no-brainer for me, I've been there several times and it just stands out as the most harmonic to me. Paris is the most beautiful city in the world, so it has to be on my list. Rotterdam has undergone incredible development in the recent decade, and it's rapidly becoming a true metropolis of european standards.
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Old January 2nd, 2013, 07:25 PM   #277
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should be the Russian skyscrapers.
By soviet I meant the soviet era skyscrapers in the third pic.
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Old January 2nd, 2013, 07:29 PM   #278
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My favorites:

1. Frankfurt
2. Paris
3. Rotterdam
4. Warzaw
5. Moscow

I really love the 'old' Moscow, as opposed to that new cluster, which just seems so out of place. Now my listing is based solely on aestethics. Warzaw really looks like a miniature Manhattan, and at nighttime it looks amazing. Frankfurt is a no-brainer for me, I've been there several times and it just stands out as the most harmonic to me. Paris is the most beautiful city in the world, so it has to be on my list. Rotterdam has undergone incredible development in the recent decade, and it's rapidly becoming a true metropolis of european standards.
that means out of place? no offense but it sounds really stupid. really skyscrapers in the middle of the low-rise buildings in Frankfurt or Warsaw more appropriate?
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Old January 2nd, 2013, 07:32 PM   #279
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Too many Russian cities
Only the first tier makes sense///
I said it already, Yekaterinburg and especially Novosibirsk are not even situated in Europe.
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Old January 2nd, 2013, 07:44 PM   #280
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I said it already, Yekaterinburg and especially Novosibirsk are not even situated in Europe.
I'm tired of comments about Asian location. actually have to come up with something more specific to the countries in this topic
Asian and European border runs right through Ekaterinburg and Istanbul, but the city is a part of European culture so I think they should be in this topic

I propose to consider only those countries that belong to the Council of Europe. it would be great if a moderator is to fix in the first post
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