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Old July 23rd, 2013, 09:26 AM   #2981
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@Londonfox-> we don't care of you and your comments!

paris is the most beautiful city in the world! London never appears in this top 5 list except from people coming from your cities(leeds,birminghman or yorkshire)!
we often read, paris , rome, venise, Prague but never London!

You can erect 100-200 anothers skyscrappers, paris is more beautiful than your capital!

Film like "Midnight in Paris" by woody allen show you that foreign love paris like no one place on earth!

they like our food, our culture, our monuments and they come every years in the most visited city on earth that your rubbish airport statistic try to biase!

Paris is Paris!

And earth love it with NYC as the most famous visited cities on earth!

People please excuse me but Londonfox is exasperating
Paris is not the most beautiful city in the world but surely it is one of them. It has a lot of problems like lack of pedestrian zones in the center - you can go everywhere with car. And that is the most serious problem of Paris. Those cars are just everywhere. Metro is not everything, you need a suplementary transport and buses are just too small in terms of capacity. It is lacking a tram system. Because one bus can carry up to 100 passsengers and tram 300-500.
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Old July 23rd, 2013, 09:56 AM   #2982
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Paris lacks of tramway
Go with google on the word "tramway paris"
Paris is very big city area. It's hard to make pedestrian places.
How much places pedestrian you have in:
-nyc
-london
-tokyo

Mmm?
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Old July 23rd, 2013, 10:58 AM   #2983
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Old July 23rd, 2013, 12:04 PM   #2984
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Old July 23rd, 2013, 12:44 PM   #2985
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Paris lacks of tramway
Go with google on the word "tramway paris"
Paris is very big city area. It's hard to make pedestrian places.
How much places pedestrian you have in:
-nyc
-london
-tokyo

Mmm?
NYC and Tokyo are not historical cities like Paris(even london does not have that historical center). Google Prague and see what I mean. It has metro and a supplementary tram lines and the city center is full of it. The interval is the same as your buses' if not even shorter and the number of transported people is tremendous. And tourists use it more becuse it is more obvious that there is some mean of transport, parisien buses and their stops are more "hidden". And it helps the metro because it takes a half of its users. You should have metro and a supplementary tram in the center and buses in the suburb because of its capacity it also helps the road traffic. You have 5 or 6 tram lnes in the suburb... Cities like Prague has up to 30 in the center...

edit: This is what I mean... St. Petersburg tram system


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Old July 23rd, 2013, 01:00 PM   #2986
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Old July 23rd, 2013, 01:53 PM   #2987
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The third photo of Warsaw posted by markfos is superb! I also enjoyed the Rotterdam photo of the docks with part of the skyline in the background.

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Old July 23rd, 2013, 02:14 PM   #2988
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Old July 23rd, 2013, 04:39 PM   #2989
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Old July 23rd, 2013, 06:33 PM   #2990
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NYC and Tokyo are not historical cities like Paris(even london does not have that historical center). Google Prague and see what I mean. It has metro and a supplementary tram lines and the city center is full of it. The interval is the same as your buses' if not even shorter and the number of transported people is tremendous. And tourists use it more becuse it is more obvious that there is some mean of transport, parisien buses and their stops are more "hidden". And it helps the metro because it takes a half of its users. You should have metro and a supplementary tram in the center and buses in the suburb because of its capacity it also helps the road traffic. You have 5 or 6 tram lnes in the suburb... Cities like Prague has up to 30 in the center...
Are you comparing the public transport of Prague (2,3 millions inhabitants in the metro area of 7 000 km², 5 millions tourists a year)
with Paris (12 millions inhabitants in the metro area of 17 000 km², world's leading tourism destination with 29 millions tourists a year) ?

I think that Paris needs more than only tramways, maybe good for some urban centres of the périphérie. But at the center of a huge agglomeration like Paris, we need to have transportation that allows people to come in and out the center from the périphérie. With tramways you can only stay in the center of a city like Paris.

The center is well deserved by metro (9 millions passengers daily) and buses and the Grand Paris Express will add new metro lines for the périphérie. We must let an increase of the flux between centre and périphérie, not isolate the center.

But maybe it is what you said, google translate was not clear with your message
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Old July 23rd, 2013, 06:53 PM   #2991
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Old July 23rd, 2013, 07:01 PM   #2992
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Are you comparing the public transport of Prague (2,3 millions inhabitants in the metro area of 7 000 km², 5 millions tourists a year)
with Paris (12 millions inhabitants in the metro area of 17 000 km², world's leading tourism destination with 29 millions tourists a year) ?

I think that Paris needs more than only tramways, maybe good for some urban centres of the périphérie. But at the center of a huge agglomeration like Paris, we need to have transportation that allows people to come in and out the center from the périphérie. With tramways you can only stay in the center of a city like Paris.

The center is well deserved by metro (9 millions passengers daily) and buses and the Grand Paris Express will add new metro lines for the périphérie. We must let an increase of the flux between centre and périphérie, not isolate the center.

But maybe it is what you said, google translate was not clear with your message
you said all
How can people dare to compare Prague & Paris?!

Paris is one of the most powerful city on earth and prague despite its charms is...Prague. We don't even know at which position it is ranked in economics charts
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Old July 23rd, 2013, 07:43 PM   #2993
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Old July 24th, 2013, 12:32 AM   #2994
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Old July 24th, 2013, 12:45 AM   #2995
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Are you comparing the public transport of Prague (2,3 millions inhabitants in the metro area of 7 000 km², 5 millions tourists a year)
with Paris (12 millions inhabitants in the metro area of 17 000 km², world's leading tourism destination with 29 millions tourists a year) ?

I think that Paris needs more than only tramways, maybe good for some urban centres of the périphérie. But at the center of a huge agglomeration like Paris, we need to have transportation that allows people to come in and out the center from the périphérie. With tramways you can only stay in the center of a city like Paris.

The center is well deserved by metro (9 millions passengers daily) and buses and the Grand Paris Express will add new metro lines for the périphérie. We must let an increase of the flux between centre and périphérie, not isolate the center.

But maybe it is what you said, google translate was not clear with your message
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How can people dare to compare Prague & Paris?!

Paris is one of the most powerful city on earth and prague despite its charms is...Prague. We don't even know at which position it is ranked in economics charts
You are just ignoring the facts by putting yourself into denial and ignoring my arguments and ridiculng my post for unimportant information. If you wish, we can compare St. Petersburg tram system, the second longest tram system with paris tram system, it is the same. And I am not comparing Prague and Paris, but giving an example of developed tram system. It has 140km of tram tracks that are serving areas between the metro stations and connecting metro stations with some minor places of interest and are sercing the parts of city that does not have metro. That is what tram should do. It should not be replacement for metro but its supplement, to feed it with users. If you need to go for 500m-1km ride you dont use metro, you use tram. It has an advantage over short distance that you don't have to go underground and waste time going up and down and it goes in shorter intervals. Because all of above, it allows to the metro to have fewer stops and to be faster. Metro should be a fast way for people from periphery to come to the center. Then they would walk or use tram to get to their exact destination. Also it allows the tourists that go mostly just a few stops to use another mean of transportation and helps the metro get rid of them, thus making it for locals more comfortable to move around. If it goes to suburb, then it exchanges people - at station with metro connection people going to center gets off and people going to specific locations that are between metro stations are getting in. Just as simple as that.

You can not have only one kind of public transport in the center if you wish not to have traffic jams and the buses capacity is just not enough.
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You are just ignoring the facts by putting yourself into denial and ignoring my arguments and ridiculng my post for unimportant information. If you wish, we can compare St. Petersburg tram system, the second longest tram system with paris tram system, it is the same. And I am not comparing Prague and Paris, but giving an example of developed tram system. It has 140km of tram tracks that are serving areas between the metro stations and connecting metro stations with some minor places of interest and are sercing the parts of city that does not have metro. That is what tram should do. It should not be replacement for metro but its supplement, to feed it with users. If you need to go for 500m-1km ride you dont use metro, you use tram. It has an advantage over short distance that you don't have to go underground and waste time going up and down and it goes in shorter intervals. Because all of above, it allows to the metro to have fewer stops and to be faster. Metro should be a fast way for people from periphery to come to the center. Then they would walk or use tram to get to their exact destination. Also it allows the tourists that go mostly just a few stops to use another mean of transportation and helps the metro get rid of them, thus making it for locals more comfortable to move around. If it goes to suburb, then it exchanges people - at station with metro connection people going to center gets off and people going to specific locations that are between metro stations are getting in. Just as simple as that.

You can not have only one kind of public transport in the center if you wish not to have traffic jams and the buses capacity is just not enough.
Are you suggesting Prague has the best transport system in the world? You don't see any trams in Central London either.
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Are you suggesting Prague has the best transport system in the world? You don't see any trams in Central London either.
No. You are also choosing the leas important info from the post. I am just giving an example that I know the best. am not saying it is the best transport system. The same scheme uses St. Petersburg, Berlin, Budapest, Kiev, Vienna, Warszawa(although their metro system is in development), Moscow... All have specific problems of their own and are not ideal. London has also its problems some the same with Paris, some not. I am pointing out that there is a way to decrease the usage of metro and imcrease number of transported and speed of transport.
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As a frenchman, I have not found one french person disliking it...it used to be World's tallest tower, & now, it is 'just' the most iconic &
magical tower in the world, it has a history & 124 years after its birth, carries on making the world dream. The French love their
capital & worship the Eiffel Tower, only the jealous brits hate it, how strange...
Jealous? No thanks. We have our own smaller rusty meccano kit tower in Blackpool UK - and that's enough.
Most iconic & magical tower don't you think? LOL

As you know well, when the E. Tower was proposed the residents of Paris tried to block it because they hated it -
it would dominate their 'beloved' city centre etc. It was the foreign tourists who took a liking to it - because they did
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Whatever, coming from you brits, those remarks are & will always be such a delight...
And a delight it is. Nice cluster out there on the outskirts

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Tram is not made for place with a huge population, or a huge traffic. It's the same case of Paris. Yes they have to improve system of transport, but the tram is not a solution, quite the reverse, it will make the situation worse and worse. Paris is not a small city like Prague. They should rather think about building more metro lines.

Hope you got what I mean ...
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Jealous? No thanks. We have our own smaller rusty meccano kit tower in Blackpool UK - and that's enough.
Most iconic & magical tower don't you think? LOL

As you know well, when the E. Tower was proposed the residents of Paris tried to block it because they hated it -
it would dominate their 'beloved' city centre etc. It was the foreign tourists who took a liking to it - because they did
not have to live with it. When the French realised the foreigners liked it they also decided to like it. Et Voila!


And a delight it is. Nice cluster out there on the outskirts
Even if you had built 8 Eiffel towers in your village, they wouldn't have made it so beloved and fantastic like Paris. Eiffel tower is a symbol, there are so many elements which makes the identity of Paris, and even if you build all parisien monuments, parisien attractive sites ..., the city's soul will be lacking and that's what mostly define Paris.

Unlike UK's cities, french ones are still preserving their soul, and we don't need to become americanized in order to be recognized .

Ps: All french love Eiffel Tower
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