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Old September 16th, 2013, 11:47 PM   #3581
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Old September 17th, 2013, 11:20 AM   #3582
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Old September 17th, 2013, 01:04 PM   #3583
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And that's why Londoners move elsewhere by the tens of thousands every year. Perhaps you should stop trash talking and accept that other cities have advantages. London scores well in some areas, but poorly in others.

More photos and less city bashing?
It's all about opinions and mine are pretty obvious ,but I'm not trying to be too negative regarding your city and certainly not 'bashing',and you're on the European thread afterall...

I think Toronto looks spectacular in many many photos and no doubt it's a great city with a great future.. I just feel European cities such as London have way more variety in architecture, which because this is about skylines, is not taken into account when making comparisons.
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Old September 17th, 2013, 02:06 PM   #3584
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1. Frankfurt
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Old September 17th, 2013, 02:40 PM   #3585
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It's all about opinions and mine are pretty obvious ,but I'm not trying to be too negative regarding your city and certainly not 'bashing',and you're on the European thread afterall...

I think Toronto looks spectacular in many many photos and no doubt it's a great city with a great future.. I just feel European cities such as London have way more variety in architecture, which because this is about skylines, is not taken into account when making comparisons.
Fair enough. I agree that SSC is prone to valuing a city solely based on its skyline. European cities are in catch up mode in that regard, but it's not fair or accurate to look no further than a city's skyscrapers. That said, this is a skyscraper site so that's why people are here. It's to be expected whether it's fair or not.

It's interesting that you find European cities to have more variety in architecture as that has always been my greatest criticism of them, it's 90% European in nature. They do have more history behind them, but they also seem far more uniform than where I live. Europe is usually postcard perfect, but after a while I know exactly what to expect around the next bend. It becomes very predictable. London is less like that due to its demographic make up and cosmopolitan nature, but it was certainly something I noticed in Helsinki and even Paris.

I view north America as refreshing because it's a total mash up of cultures, architecture, language, smells, religion, fashion, etc. It's not always pretty, often jarring, but you never know what to expect around the next corner. It's a sensory overload, and never ever boring. Perhaps not all north American cities are like that, but certainly the big immigrant cities are.

I hope people don't take offense to anything I've said, as it's not my intent.
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Old September 17th, 2013, 04:18 PM   #3586
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I don't normally spam this thread with lots of picture of Milan, but it seems that, in these days, italian photographers are giving us great shots.

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MILANO again:

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Old September 17th, 2013, 07:34 PM   #3587
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Old September 17th, 2013, 08:16 PM   #3588
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I hope people don't take offense to anything I've said, as it's not my intent.
No worries, mate..You are entitled to your opinion
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Old September 18th, 2013, 12:22 AM   #3589
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Old September 18th, 2013, 01:04 AM   #3590
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Old September 18th, 2013, 04:16 AM   #3591
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Old September 18th, 2013, 08:42 AM   #3592
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Fair enough. I agree that SSC is prone to valuing a city solely based on its skyline. European cities are in catch up mode in that regard, but it's not fair or accurate to look no further than a city's skyscrapers. That said, this is a skyscraper site so that's why people are here. It's to be expected whether it's fair or not.

It's interesting that you find European cities to have more variety in architecture as that has always been my greatest criticism of them, it's 90% European in nature. They do have more history behind them, but they also seem far more uniform than where I live. Europe is usually postcard perfect, but after a while I know exactly what to expect around the next bend. It becomes very predictable. London is less like that due to its demographic make up and cosmopolitan nature, but it was certainly something I noticed in Helsinki and even Paris.

I view north America as refreshing because it's a total mash up of cultures, architecture, language, smells, religion, fashion, etc. It's not always pretty, often jarring, but you never know what to expect aroud, as it's not my intent.

strange but I got the exact opposite impression.
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Old September 18th, 2013, 09:47 AM   #3593
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París does have a homogeneous city center... And it's very known for that. But if you go to other neighbourhoods you can see more diversity.

Helsinki isn't really big enough to be that representative.

In fact any city isn't really representative of all Europe (as we are United in diversity) .

There are really homogeneous countries like Netherlands... It's not always the same but you feel the similarities everywhere.

Germany also tends to be homogeneous but it's much less noticeable than in Netherlands, and sometimes not noticeable at all in cities.

But most cities are really diverse in architecture.

I also think that European cities tend to be more diverse, of course that can't be true in the 100% of the cases, but I have the impression that North American cities are "glass facades" everywhere while the old almost ruined houses are made of wood (because if not, it would have been covered with glass decades ago) and with ticky tacky made sprawls.
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Old September 18th, 2013, 04:14 PM   #3595
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Old September 18th, 2013, 04:49 PM   #3596
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Be interesting to see how these skylines develop over the next 6/7 years.

Especially Moscows considering there is a lack of any future construction after this main lot is built.

La Defense is certainly building well and if the Hermitage Towers go ahead and completed by 2019 then unless something is proposed of similar magnitude in London, Frankfurt, Istanbul or Moscow I cant see anything topping it although the magnitude of London developments is quite prolific for a European city but it's difficult to envisage the true impact they will have.

What exactly are the current statistics for cities in Europe??

Just having a brief look:

London (above 100m)

Under Construction = 11

225m (City)
181m (City)
163m (City)
160m (City)
155m (City)
150m (Canary Wharf)
136m (Canary Wharf)
134m (Croydon)
133m (City)
130m (Canary Wharf)
115m (City)
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Especially Moscows considering there is a lack of any future construction after this main lot is built.
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288m 65f | 288m 60f

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Old September 18th, 2013, 06:33 PM   #3598
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strange but I got the exact opposite impression.
I suppose a lot depends on what cities one compares, but home always feels like a mad chaotic mash-up after a European vacation.
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Germany also tends to be homogeneous but it's much less noticeable than in Netherlands, and sometimes not noticeable at all in cities.
That is strange. I would say German cities are some of the most heterogeneous in Europe.
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I suppose a lot depends on what cities one compares, but home always feels like a mad chaotic mash-up after a European vacation.
do you agree that the difference between Ireland and Greece or lets say Portugal and Sweden or Germany and Italy is bigger than the difference between Florida and California or Texas and Oregon...
I dont mean the landscape but the diversity between the cities and towns. My feeling is that nearly every city and town in the USA looks very similar. I mean you got everywhere the same storechains and fastfoodchains. Unfortunately the developement goes in that direction too like everywhere else in the globalized world. But it is still a major difference between e.g. Edinborough and Dubrovnik.
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