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Old October 14th, 2013, 10:23 AM   #3861
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Old October 14th, 2013, 12:15 PM   #3863
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London's hard to rank as it doesn't have a contiguous skyline.
Then surely Moscow falls into this same category also. London however has two distinct clusters. Moscow just the singular.

What will be interesting is if London does get an contiguous skyline. With 5 clusters becoming apparent all with multiple 150m+ towers at some point they will come into close enough contact for potentially quite massive skyline.
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Old October 14th, 2013, 12:52 PM   #3864
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Then surely Moscow falls into this same category also. London however has two distinct clusters. Moscow just the singular.

What will be interesting is if London does get an contiguous skyline. With 5 clusters becoming apparent all with multiple 150m+ towers at some point they will come into close enough contact for potentially quite massive skyline.
It does to a point, but Moscow also has about 3 times as many 100m+ buildings as London. There's also the Seven Sisters in Moscow which are unique in Europe other than the Palace of Culture in Warsaw.

I like the Canary Wharf cluster quite a bit, but not too keen on the other one. I actually prefer CW to Moscow's main cluster despite it being larger than anything in London.

Regarding London building a contiguous skyline, that will never be possible because of all the historic structures throughout the city. London might accomplish an optical illusion where it looks like a contiguous cluster from when viewed from a distance, but it will never be dense in the north American or Asian sense.
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Old October 14th, 2013, 01:26 PM   #3865
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London's hard to rank as it doesn't have a contiguous skyline.
Yes, London has different clusters, some of them will merge together and some won't, for example I don't think the city and canary wharf clusters will merge for a long time, and of course no European city will ever have high rise density like North America or Asia, but I like our skylines
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Old October 14th, 2013, 02:35 PM   #3866
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I do find Istanbul difficult to wrap my head around. How many main clusters are there and which ones are on the European side and which on the Asian?
Locations of some of the clusters by www.sercan.de:



Cluster + summary of all towers over 150m, by me:

I was actually working on something similar but I was too lazy to do a map so I postponed it, but since you already did a map I can share it.

These are not all business districts (yet). Sisli, Bomonti, Kucukcekmece and Atasehir has a higher percentage residential/hotel than office/retail.

I've updated my list for Istanbul on the first page with Com, T/O, U/C and Prep towers over 150m and I inserted them under each cluster here. Some of the height might still be wrong (especially Varyap) but I've e-mailed them for exact figures and I hope they will answer.

European Side

Main CBD Levent + Mecidiyeköy (they have pretty much merged)


3. Istanbul Sapphire - 261 - Com
6. Kayakule - 220 - Prep
14. İşbank Tower 1 - 181 - Com
16. Cıftcı Tower 1 - 180 - U/C
17. Cıftcı Tower 2 - 180 - U/C
22. Torun Tower - 177,6 - U/C
26. Zorlu Levent Tower - 170 - T/O
27. Özdilek Plaza 1 - 170 - T/O
28. Özdilek Plaza 2 - 170 - T/O
38. Soyak Tower - 160 - U/C
43. Akbank Tower - 158 - Com
55. Istanbloom - 150 - T/O



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8. Spine Tower - 201 - T/O
32. 42 Maslak 1 - 167 - T/O
33. 42 Maslak 2 - 167 - U/C

Probably over 150m:

? Maslak 1453 1 - n/a - Prep
? Maslak 1453 2 - n/a - Prep
? Maslak 1453 3 - n/a - Prep
? Maslak 1453 4 - n/a - Prep
? Maslak 1453 5 - n/a - Prep
? Maslak 1453 6 - n/a - Prep
? Maslak 1453 7 - n/a - Prep
? Eclipse Maslak - n/a - U/C
? Eclipse Maslak - n/a - U/C

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29. Şişli Plaza - 170 - Com
40. Torun Center 1 -160 - U/C
41. Torun Center 2 -160 - U/C
48. Quasar Istanbul 1 - 156 - U/C
49. Quasar Istanbul 2 - 156 - U/C
51. Trump Towers Istanbul - 155 - Com

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Bomonti

10. Bomonti Time - 195 - Prep
11. Anthill Residence 1 - 195 - Com
12. Anthill Residence 2 - 195 - Com
42. Rixos Bomonti Residence - 159 - Com



Kucukcekmece

[IMG]http://i46.************/1z4eg4j.jpg[/IMG]

(Future) Seyrantepe

1. Skyland 1 - 287 - U/C
2. Skyland 2 - 287 - U/C
7. Çintemani Istanbul - 212 - Prep



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Atasehir

4. Metropol Istanbul - 250 - U/C
5. Varyap Meridian Grand Tower 1 - 244 - Com
15. My Towerland - 181 - T/O
18. Varyap Meridian Grand Tower 2 - 180 - Com
21. Sarphan Finans Park - 178 - U/C
34. Varyap Meridian Grand Tower 3 - 164 - Com
39. Sky Tower 1 - 160 - Com



All the biggest banks in Turkey is being moved to Atasehir, this is the masterplan for the project by HOK. The towers will have similar height and location but the design will change. Since we don't know the exact height we didnt include them in the list, but most of the towers are above 150m



Ümraniye

37. EXEN Plaza - 160 - U/C (Close to Umraniye)



Close up: http://i.imgur.com/fG81K.jpg

New projects in the area, some U/C: http://i.imgur.com/ajI406O.jpg

Kartal

52. Uprise Elite - 154 - Com

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(Future) Kozyatagi

13. Ronesans Tower - 185 - U/C
19. Nida Palladium - 180 - U/C

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Old October 14th, 2013, 03:41 PM   #3867
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London's hard to rank as it doesn't have a contiguous skyline.
new york also does not have a contiguous skyline. in fact it has 2 separated enormous clusters and imo london shares a similar structure but on a very very very smalllller scale of course.

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Old October 14th, 2013, 04:00 PM   #3868
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I have to say that I found the Vilnius skyline most pleasant on a recent trip. The Europa Tower is quite impressive.
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Old October 14th, 2013, 04:09 PM   #3869
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It does to a point, but Moscow also has about 3 times as many 100m+ buildings as London. There's also the Seven Sisters in Moscow which are unique in Europe other than the Palace of Culture in Warsaw.
That is true but London is also construction 5 to 6 x as many highrise towers than Moscow now and for the forseeable future.

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I like the Canary Wharf cluster quite a bit, but not too keen on the other one. I actually prefer CW to Moscow's main cluster despite it being larger than anything in London.
Canary Wharf has the advantage of being specifically designed, where as the City is more organic. The City over time will become the focal point of London's skyline I believe. Canary Wharf on paper will be significantly larger then Moscows new CBD. CW has over 15 towers 150m+ planned or U/C where as once the current U/C buildings in Moscow are complete there is currently only 1 in the pipeline.

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Regarding London building a contiguous skyline, that will never be possible because of all the historic structures throughout the city. London might accomplish an optical illusion where it looks like a contiguous cluster from when viewed from a distance, but it will never be dense in the north American or Asian sense.
You're quite right, however alot of London's clusters do not encroach into sightlines which is why they are allowed to be highrise areas. Over time a number of these do not have any such restrictions which means a contiguous skyline will be very possible. The city itself is seeing an increase in large scale mid to high rise developments in the aldgate/broadgate areas, tower bridge itself forms the edge of the boundary where the thames distinguishes it from the city although this will look like a contiguous skyline over time especially with the addition of the blackfriars cluster and 9 elms. Canary Wharf imo does not need to be linked up to the city as this will be big enough as a singular to be regarded as a major skyline in it's own right.

I think an optical illusion is currently formed regarding London's skyline but with over 70+ 100m towers already u/c and proposed this is only going to grow and this will double what London has had in over 2000 years in a mere 20. Over time this will only increase and then you have quite possible a massive, massive skyline where oplitical illusions so to speak will become null and void.
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Old October 14th, 2013, 04:22 PM   #3870
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the other thing which i like about london is that it is not just getting a lot of tall buildings but "high-quality" tall buildings which are thoroughly designed by the world class architects and engineers. i am sure the same thing can't be said for benidorm for example.

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Where London greatly benefits compared to other cities and destinations is the fact that because property prices are so high, developers are able to build very high spec residential apartments.

The same goes for office space.

I read in an earlier article on the UK forum today that $133 billion in CASH was transacted in the London property market alone last year. This is not taking into account there general population who deal in credit.

9% property value increase in 12 months shows their is extreme wealth to be made in London property.

This is only going to increase and with a shortfall in housing already plus an unprecedented population boom that nowhere else in Europe is experiencing, plus with the news today of relaxation of Chinese visa laws into the UK, I cant see it ending anytime soon and I don't see any city on the continent competing with it on such a scale.
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it is actually quite true and even the new york times recently wrote an article about london being "a new global reserve currency". on the otherhand london is expericing with a huge population boom which is why the mayor boris johnson is desperately trying to encourage the investors and developers to build more residential towers all over the city. there are many lowrise (below 100m) residential buildings being constructed around docklands and canary wharf. i realised a dramatic change of that area when i took a dlr train to greenwich and a mixed of many new low/highrise (canadian style) boxy buildings around canary wharf actually give you the feeling like you are in the middle of a huge skyline/cluster.
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Old October 14th, 2013, 09:03 PM   #3873
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the other thing which i like about london is that it is not just getting a lot of tall buildings but "high-quality" tall buildings which are thoroughly designed by the world class architects and engineers. i am sure the same thing can't be said for benidorm for example.
I also like it for that, it seems like almost every single building is special and that sums up!
Anyway I like both kind of skylines, Benidorm is a city of high-rises, they are everywhere and it's the way of life, when you know people from Benidorm and see his address, it's very often in some high floor. But 1 high-rise of London counts for 20 of Benidorm (just to say a number).
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Old October 14th, 2013, 10:57 PM   #3874
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I also like it for that, it seems like almost every single building is special and that sums up!
Anyway I like both kind of skylines, Benidorm is a city of high-rises, they are everywhere and it's the way of life, when you know people from Benidorm and see his address, it's very often in some high floor. But 1 high-rise of London counts for 20 of Benidorm (just to say a number).
Benidorm has huge mass thoe, it's the only European skyline that has a real canyon affect, even if the towers are not the best quality
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new york also does not have a contiguous skyline. in fact it has 2 separated enormous clusters and imo london shares a similar structure but on a very very very smalllller scale of course.
New York isn't hard to rank for that very reason. One could omit the downtown completely and it would still rank pretty much in the same spot.
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That is true but London is also construction 5 to 6 x as many highrise towers than Moscow now and for the forseeable future.
London has a lot to look forward to, but will need all those proposals if it wants to close the gap.

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Canary Wharf has the advantage of being specifically designed, where as the City is more organic.
For me, it's the design of the buildings that distinguishes CW from the City. CW is classic, elegant, and timeless. London's best towers, the Shard excluded.

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Over time this will only increase and then you have quite possible a massive, massive skyline where oplitical illusions so to speak will become null and void.
Another 250 buildings (or a 6 fold increase on the current inventory) over 100m should do the trick. It will be fun to watch grow.
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New York isn't hard to rank for that very reason. One could omit the downtown completely and it would still rank pretty much in the same spot.
Exactly! we are not comparing london to new york but other european skylines which are obviously not as big as new york. so my logic makes sense.
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Thanks Erhan, that's a wonderful summary and really helps clarify what was up till now a little bewildering.
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