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Old November 4th, 2013, 08:46 PM   #4341
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Old November 4th, 2013, 09:37 PM   #4342
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When it comes to harmony between new and old buildings, I would put Frankfurt, the City of London, Milan and Warsaw in the first league.
Of course it is your personal opinion, but to put Milan in the first league is rather exaggerated.
Milan has some really nice high-rises and one semi Skyscraper, but it takes more than that to be first league.
I think Milan's skyline is not good enough from street level perspective and besides that the best Skylines in the world are located near by rivers or along the sea from where you have got good overviews. Milan is missing that obvious.
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Old November 4th, 2013, 10:02 PM   #4343
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Hey SASH, i'm not ranking european skylines here, i was just introducing a new perspective: integration of old and new. When it comes to that, Milan is an excellent example, better than Paris imho. Paris has of course a better and bigger skyline, but that's not my point.
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Old November 4th, 2013, 11:08 PM   #4344
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Old November 5th, 2013, 05:39 AM   #4345
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Old November 5th, 2013, 10:42 AM   #4346
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In the next four years Milan will have a huge second cluster with a "real" skyscraper and for sure a very nice skyline.
But obviously nothing compared to the big 4 (London, Frankfurt, Paris and Moscow), Istanbul deserve a good place too, but Rotterdam and Warsaw are at the same level compared to Milan.

Anyway in Milan we can show buildings by Pelli, Pei-Cobb and partners, Nervi-Ponti, Hadid, Libeskind, Isozaki, BBPR studio, KPF, Arquitectonca... not a bad quality

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Old November 5th, 2013, 11:13 AM   #4347
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Milano is not at the same level like Warsaw or Rotterdam imo.
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Old November 5th, 2013, 11:21 AM   #4348
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Exactly, few weird towers don't make a skyline.
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Old November 5th, 2013, 11:29 AM   #4349
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imho it don't looks too bad, but my point of view is not objective at all
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Old November 5th, 2013, 04:33 PM   #4350
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MY opinion - I wont do an order because I will get moaned at. So in no particular order:

League One:
MOSCOW
LONDON
PARIS
FRANKFURT

League Two:
WARSAW
ISTANBUL
ROTTERDAM
MADRID

League Three:
MILAN
BARCELONA
BERLIN
BENIDORM

League Four:
MANCHESTER
LEEDS
VIENNA
THE HAGUE

Each City is not in an order - the only order are the leagues.
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Old November 5th, 2013, 04:49 PM   #4351
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Milano is not at the same level like Warsaw or Rotterdam imo.
not now, for sure...but in a few years...
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Old November 5th, 2013, 04:53 PM   #4352
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MY opinion - I wont do an order because I will get moaned at. So in no particular order:

League One:
MOSCOW
LONDON
PARIS
FRANKFURT

League Two:
WARSAW
ISTANBUL
ROTTERDAM
MADRID

League Three:
MILAN
BARCELONA
BERLIN
BENIDORM

League Four:
MANCHESTER
LEEDS
VIENNA
THE HAGUE

Each City is not in an order - the only order are the leagues.
Madrid can not be compared with the others of your 2nd league imo. 4 symmetrical skyscrapers with same hight don't make a skyline...and Vienna has a really better skyline then Berlin, always in my opinion
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Old November 5th, 2013, 05:39 PM   #4353
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Old November 5th, 2013, 06:57 PM   #4354
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In the next four years Milan will have a huge second cluster with a "real" skyscraper and for sure a very nice skyline.
But obviously nothing compared to the big 4 (London, Frankfurt, Paris and Moscow), Istanbul deserve a good place too, but Rotterdam and Warsaw are at the same level compared to Milan.
Warsaw has some excellent buildings u/c. In short time it will surpass Rotterdam and in a few years in will be same league as London, Paris and Frankfurt.
Frankfurt needs some high-rises to fill up the skyline. It doesn't look that fantastic from certain angles and therefore it might lose it's place to Istanbul which is the most exciting city at the moment because of all those u/c projects.
I'm not sure about Moscow. Because of the height of its one and only real skyline cluster it belongs in league one. This cluster could get bored in a few years. To stay in league one it needs variety in height.
Rotterdam has only one high-rise u/c at the moment. This won't change the next 4 or 5 years because of the financial crisis. Regardless this fact in don't see why Milan will surpass Rotterdam. Milan misses some elements to make it a better skyline than Rotterdam and besides that I'm sure Rotterdam will catch up after this period.
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Old November 5th, 2013, 07:23 PM   #4355
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I don't want to to be rude, but in my opinion the best piece in the Rotterdam skyline is the calatrava Erasmus bridge. The other buildings aren't particulary tall or original in terms of forms.

Talking about numbers...

Rotterdam:
http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?cityID=897

Milan:
http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/? (the second is cancelled and there's a couple of other dead buildings)

I think the two cities are comparable. I don't want to say that Milan is better, but that Warsaw, Rotterdam and Milan are in the same league. In fact we need that citylife will be completed, to compete in this second group.

However Barcelona, Madrid, Wien and Berlin have a less interesting skyline in my opinion.
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Old November 5th, 2013, 07:28 PM   #4356
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Old November 5th, 2013, 07:43 PM   #4357
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I don't want to to be rude, but in my opinion the best piece in the Rotterdam skyline is the calatrava bridge. The other buildings aren't particulary tall or original in terms of forms.

Talking about numbers...

Rotterdam:
http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?cityID=897

Milan:
http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/? (the second is cancelled and there's a couple of other dead buildings)

I think the two cities are comparable. I don't want to say that Milan is better, but that Warsaw, Rotterdam and Milan are in the same league. In fact we need that citylife will be completed, to compete in this second group.

However Barcelona, Madrid, Wien and Berlin have a less interesting skyline in my opinion.
The Erasmus Bridge in Rotterdam was designed by Ben van Berkel, not Santiago Calatrava. -_-
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Old November 5th, 2013, 07:48 PM   #4358
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The Erasmus Bridge in Rotterdam was designed by Ben van Berkel, not Santiago Calatrava. -_-
you're totally right I was thinking about the Samuel Beckett bridge
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Old November 5th, 2013, 08:10 PM   #4359
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Old November 5th, 2013, 09:26 PM   #4360
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Exactly, few weird towers don't make a skyline.
totally wrong.

1) "few" based on what? for european average Milan has a good number of towers (most of european cities really have no modern skyline. in Europe there are not only the cities of the top 10 skylines, and in any case Milan is between those -7th place by now-). comparing to many asian or american cities, ALL european cities have few towers.
2) also few towers can do a skyline. it depends on their position and shape.
3) also not-so-high towers can do a considerable skyline (example of Rotterdam).


in conclusion, if this is not a SKY-LINE, what is???


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this is only Porta Nuova cluster (still not completed).
CityLife cluster (main towers: 207-247 m / 175 m / 165 m) has just begun to rise up with the tallest...and there're also some secondary clusters that we have never posted on this thread or that are U/C...
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