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Old November 5th, 2013, 09:50 PM   #4361
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Old November 6th, 2013, 01:27 AM   #4362
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Old November 6th, 2013, 03:34 AM   #4363
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Old November 6th, 2013, 10:18 AM   #4364
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I really don't understand this fights among second tier european skylines. Is it so wrong to say that Rotterdam, Warsaw, Milan, Den Haag belong to the same group? They have a similar number of highrises and only few skyscrapers.

I was suggesting something different: how integration of old and new can be a plus for a skyline, and I was dividing european skylines in two groups, the one with "A-la-Corbusier" clusters, and the one with Frankfurt-style, mixed clusters.

This is an objective distinction. I prefer the Frankfurt model, but this is just my opinion.

I don't get why SASH is so prompt to bash Milan, I understand he has a soft spot for waterfront skylines, but i'm convinced we should all welcome diversity as a plus factor. Among the second-tier group, Rotterdam has a wonderful highrise skyline on the pier, Milan has an unique skyline combining daring modern towers, international style classics (Pirelli, Galfa) to the gothic pinnacles of the Duomo, Warsaw has a compact and dense cluster, where some new quality towers are finally catching up with the outstanding Palace of Culture and Science.
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Old November 6th, 2013, 10:30 AM   #4365
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Old November 6th, 2013, 10:47 AM   #4366
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I'm not bashing Milan. I just don't agree with Apteryx. The skyline of Milan does not belong in the category of Warsaw, Istanbul and Rotterdam.
Milan is category The Hague and Vienna.

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Old November 6th, 2013, 11:11 AM   #4367
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Old November 6th, 2013, 11:13 AM   #4368
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I'm not bashing Milan. I just don't agree with Apteryx. The skyline of Milan does not belong in the category of Warsaw, Istanbul and Rotterdam.
Istanbul is first tier, I'm sorry Warsaw and Rotterdam are not.

Rotterdam and Warsaw are for sure closer to Milan and Vienna, in terms of prominence and scale than they are to Paris or Frankfurt. By far. Rotterdam and Warsaw are the "best" second tier skylines, because they started a long time ago. Milan, Vienna and The Hague are the new stars catching up.
With City Life Milan is defo catching up with Rotterdam, maybe not with Warsaw, but it already belongs to the same group.
Also, Milan is not only building towers, but revamping huge dismissed areas and filling them with stunning architecture and greenery, which also means new vantage points on the skyline. The scale of projects like City Life (building a new cluster from scratch) has few rivals in Europe.
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Old November 6th, 2013, 11:26 AM   #4369
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What is the reason for London's 2 clusters?
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What is the reason for London's 2 clusters?
Basically the City of London (the Square Mile) is the original financial centre, so tall buildings have helped to accommodate a high demand for office space. Canary Wharf used to be London's docks, but then in the 1960s, cargo transportation became a big thing, which meant bigger ships. The docks weren't able to handle these huge vessels (the Thames wasn't deep or wide enough to comfortably accommodate them) and so the docks stopped their operations, fell into disuse and became a bit of a wasteland. Plans were drawn up to regenerate the area, and it eventually became Canary Wharf, creating a second financial centre in London (1 Canada Square was the first tall building to be completed, in 1991)...and it's just been growing since then. The regeneration drew businesses to the area, and again, skyscrapers were deemed suitable for the area to cope with demand.
So yes, that's it basically!
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Old November 6th, 2013, 11:40 AM   #4371
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Istanbul could be first tier within short time. That is what I already said in post # 4354


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Rotterdam and Warsaw are for sure closer to Milan and Vienna, in terms of prominence and scale than they are to Paris or Frankfurt. By far.
If you are walking around in Milan, you don't see a glimpse of the Skyline. You have to get in the duomo or an any other building to find out that Milan has a skyline.
When you approach Rotterdam and it doesn't matter if this is by car or train, you directly notice the skyline.
I have the feeling that Milan can build another 10 to 20 high-rises, but some how the city is not suitable for a skyline.
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Old November 6th, 2013, 12:22 PM   #4372
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Istanbul could be first tier within short time. That is what I already said in post # 4354

If you are walking around in Milan, you don't see a glimpse of the Skyline. You have to get in the duomo or an any other building to find out that Milan has a skyline.
When you approach Rotterdam and it doesn't matter if this is by car or train, you directly notice the skyline.
I have the feeling that Milan can build another 10 to 20 high-rises, but some how the city is not suitable for a skyline.
Because Milan has a HUGE metropolitan area, the city itself has 1.3 Mab in just 181 km^2, with a density of 7128,76 ab/km²; Rotterdam has half population with a density of 1933,14 ab/km².
Basically Rotterdam is a flat city with large amount of water and many spots where the skyline can emerge.
Around Milan there's another 2.5 Mab with small amount of free land (just southbound).
The medium height of Milan's buildings is the reason why we have to move away or going up to better see the skyline, but you can have a clear view even from 50 km away (Bergamo); around the financial district we have buildings with 10 or more floors (40 meters) that's the reason why the skyline looks smaller than it is.

I remember I read somewhere that the medium heigh of the buildings in Milan is 10 floors, but I can't find the source now, so I can't confirm.

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Anyway this is a second class skyline in my opinion, even without the Citylife Cluster
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Just for the record. The municipality of Rotterdam has an area of ​​319 km2, of which is 113 km2 water and 206 km2 is land. Of those 206 km2 land the port and industrial area is 136km2 (biggest Port in Europe!). So The habitable area is only 70km2! That gives a density of 8814/km².

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Anyway this is a second class skyline in my opinion, even without a Citylife Cluster
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Just for the record. The municipality of Rotterdam has an area of ​​319 km2, of which is 113 km2 water and 206 km2 is land. Of those 206 km2 land the industrial area is 136km2 (biggest Port in Europe!). So The habitable area is only 70km2! That gives a density of 8814/km².
Interesting, wikipedia doesn't give such informations. I don't have the same value for milan, without the "parco agricolo" a natural protected area on the south side of the city.
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Old November 6th, 2013, 06:15 PM   #4380
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If you are walking around in Milan, you don't see a glimpse of the Skyline. You have to get in the duomo or an any other building to find out that Milan has a skyline.
When you approach Rotterdam and it doesn't matter if this is by car or train, you directly notice the skyline.
I have the feeling that Milan can build another 10 to 20 high-rises, but some how the city is not suitable for a skyline.
Most people arrive in Milan by train. The central station is located inside the Porta NUova cluster. For many many people, the first thing they see about Milan is the cluster. And trust me, the view is quite perfect.
Also, when you land in Linate you have a clear view on Porta Nuova towers. If you arrive on a shuttle from the Malpensa airport, you pass right next to City Life.
If you arrive by car, you see the skyline quite clearly from the Tangenziale Est.

The city is dense, with an average height of buildings of about 25-30m. So it's true, Milan has to be better than Rotterdam to reach the same prominence.

But there are a lot of vantage points. Apart from the views you get when you arrive by car, train or plane, there are places like Monte Stella, Parco Nord, Collina dei Ciliegi. Not only the Duomo. If you are in the city center, you are basically INSIDE the skyline area. So it's rather difficult to have a complete view on the thing, but there are loads of cool perspectives with a modern tower standing next to an historical church, which also adds quality to the skyline, imho. Everything is "skyline", not only the far away shot.
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