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Old January 2nd, 2014, 04:02 AM   #5321
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 01:08 PM   #5322
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I have add the individual heights of 30 tallest skyscrapers (finished or topped out) in a city together and share them by 30, the total number of skyscrapers (150m of Moscow).


1. Moscow (6135m/30) = 204,5m
2. Istanbul (4958m/30) = 165m
3. London (4823m/30) = 161m
4. Paris (4689m/30) = 156m
5. Frankfurt (4601m/30) = 153m
6. Warsaw (3590m/30) = 120m
7. Rotterdam(3401m/30) = 113m
8. Milan (2926m/30) = 98m
You don't need to calculate average heights of 30 buildings for each city. If you compare only one building (instead of 30) for each city you will get the same result. I chose the 15th highest building for each city


1. Moscow (6135m/30) = 204,5m----178
2. Istanbul (4958m/30) = 165m------154
3. London (4823m/30) = 161m-------147.4
4. Paris (4689m/30) = 156m---------143
5. Frankfurt (4601m/30) = 153m-----142.4
6. Warsaw (3590m/30) = 120m------106.1
7. Rotterdam(3401m/30) = 113m----104.8
8. Milan (2926m/30) = 98m----------89

In this case we see that the 1st group consists of 5 cities, which are close to each other.
Rotterdam and Warsaw belong to the 2nd group. They are close to each other.
It's difficult for the cities of the 2nd group to move to the 1st group.
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 01:45 PM   #5323
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 02:12 PM   #5324
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You don't need to calculate average heights of 30 buildings for each city. If you compare only one building (instead of 30) for each city you will get the same result. I chose the 15th highest building for each city 1. Moscow (6135m/30) = 204,5m----178 2. Istanbul (4958m/30) = 165m------154 3. London (4823m/30) = 161m-------147.4 4. Paris (4689m/30) = 156m---------143 5. Frankfurt (4601m/30) = 153m-----142.4 6. Warsaw (3590m/30) = 120m------106.1 7. Rotterdam(3401m/30) = 113m----104.8 8. Milan (2926m/30) = 98m----------89 In this case we see that the 1st group consists of 5 cities, which are close to each other. Rotterdam and Warsaw belong to the 2nd group. They are close to each other. It's difficult for the cities of the 2nd group to move to the 1st group.
If i take the 15 highest buildings (roof only) of Warsaw, I get 2149m/15 = 142m. By the end of 2014 2252m/15 = 150m.

But well, you can take 10, 15, 20, 25, ... Endless discussion. But inteteresting to see in the future how the average goes up.
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 02:44 PM   #5327
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You don't need to calculate average heights of 30 buildings for each city. If you compare only one building (instead of 30) for each city you will get the same result. I chose the 15th highest building for each city


1. Moscow (6135m/30) = 204,5m----178
2. Istanbul (4958m/30) = 165m------154
3. London (4823m/30) = 161m-------147.4
4. Paris (4689m/30) = 156m---------143
5. Frankfurt (4601m/30) = 153m-----142.4
6. Warsaw (3590m/30) = 120m------106.1
7. Rotterdam(3401m/30) = 113m----104.8
8. Milan (2926m/30) = 98m----------89

In this case we see that the 1st group consists of 5 cities, which are close to each other.
Rotterdam and Warsaw belong to the 2nd group. They are close to each other.
It's difficult for the cities of the 2nd group to move to the 1st group.

I get out also other data for the first 15 skyscrapers in Frankfurt.

1. 259
2. 256
3. 208
4. 200
5. 200
6. 186
7. 185 Topped out
8. 170 Topped out
9. 170
10. 166
11. 159
12. 155
13. 155
14. 154
15. 148
total 2771

2771/15 = 184,7
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 03:14 PM   #5328
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I get out also other data for the first 15 skyscrapers in Frankfurt.
I mean only ONE skyscraper. We can consider only ONE, say, the 15th tallest building to get the same result.
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 03:21 PM   #5329
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New List with Top 15

I use the ctbuh data and skyscraperpage(Official height)

Moscow (3646/15) = 243,1m
London (2875/15) = 191,6m
Frankfurt (2771/15) = 184,7m
Istanbul (2767/15) = 184,5m
Paris (2699/15) = 180m
Warsaw (2241/15) = 149,4
Rotterdam (1946/15) = 129,7m
Milan (1818/15) = 121,2

In the top 15 frankfurt is passing by Paris.

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Old January 2nd, 2014, 03:47 PM   #5331
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The 15 highest buildings could be of any height and says nothing about the total mass of the skyline.
The 15th highest bldng can not be of ANY height. To make it ANY heigt the city has to have 14 other buildings heigher than that.
Show me a city 1, where the 15th skyscraper is higher than the 15th of the city 2 and the city 1 skyline is worse than the city 2 skyline.
Any way, we have TOP 5, not TOP 4
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 04:22 PM   #5332
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Madrid:
Including telecommunications towers: (3655m/30) = 121,8m
Without telecommunications towerts: (3464m/30) = 115,5m

1. Torre Cepsa: 250m
2. Torre de Cristal: 249m
3. Torre Sacyr: 231m
(. Torrespaña: 231m)
4. Torre Espacio: 224m
5. Torre Picasso: 157m
6. Torre de Madrid: 142m
7. Torre Europa: 120m
8. Edificio España: 117m
9. Torres de Colón: 116m
10. Puerta de Europa I: 114m
11. Puerta de Europa II: 114m
(. Faro de la Moncloa: 110m)
12. Banco de Bilbao: 108m
13. Edificio Titania: 104m
14. Ministerio de Comercio: 100m
15. Torre de Valencia: 94m

16. La Vela: 93m
17. Torre Telefónica: 88m
18. Torre Mahou: 85m
19. Condado de Treviño 2: 84m
20. Torre Metropolitana: 84m
21. Apartamentos Entrerríos: 82m
22. Capitán Haya, 51: 82m
23. Torres Blancas: 81m
24. Torre Puerta de Chamartín: 81m
25. Torre del Retiro: 80m
26. Edificio Cuzco IV: 80m
27. Condado de Treviño 9: 78m
28. Torre de Castilla: 76m
29. Torre Iberia: 75m
30. Torre Panorama: 75m
TOP 15
Including telecommunications towers: (2387m/15) = 159,1m
Without telecommunications towerts: (2240m/15) = 149,3m
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 06:35 PM   #5334
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The 15th highest bldng can not be of ANY height. To make it ANY heigt the city has to have 14 other buildings heigher than that.
Show me a city 1, where the 15th skyscraper is higher than the 15th of the city 2 and the city 1 skyline is worse than the city 2 skyline.
Any way, we have TOP 5, not TOP 4
I have expressed myself wrong, sorry
I'll show them a Example with 10 buildings to make clear what I mean.

City A:
1. 250
2. 240
3. 225
4. 210
5. 185
6. 184
7. 178
8. 166
9. 165
10.162

According to their statistics= 162 m
my statistic= 196,5 m

City B
1. 230
2. 220
3. 215
4. 200
5. 185
6. 183
7. 166
8. 165
9. 164
10.162

According to their statistics= 162 m
my statistic= 189 m

With the red and the blue number they can see that, my calculated data have differences, while their are identical.
This means that the other buildings play an important role for a skyline and you can not just read his strength on the basis of a building from the list.

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I have expressed myself wrong, sorry
I'll show them a Example with 10 buildings to make clear what I mean.

City A:
1. 250
2. 240
3. 225
4. 210
5. 185
6. 184
7. 178
8. 166
9. 165
10.162

According to their statistics= 162 m
my statistic= 196,5 m

City B
1. 230
2. 220
3. 215
4. 200
5. 185
6. 183
7. 166
8. 165
9. 164
10.162

According to their statistics= 162 m
my statistic= 189 m

With the red and the blue number they can see that, my calculated data have differences, while their are identical.
This means that the other buildings play an important role for a skyline and you can not just read his strength on the basis of a building from the list.
ํYou are right. An integrated statistics is usually better than an individual example. I just want to say that in the real situation we have in Europe it is ENOUGH to judge skylines only according to one individual structure - the fifteenth highest skyscraper It is easier and will have the same result that you suggest taking into consideration 30 buildings.
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I agree with them completely. We will do in the future rather a statistic among the 15 tallest buildings.
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 08:24 PM   #5337
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I use the ctbuh data and skyscraperpage(Official height)

Moscow (3646/15) = 243,1m
Istanbul (2767/15) = 184,5m
London (2875/15) = 191,6m
Frankfurt (2771/15) = 184m
Paris (2699/15) = 180m
Warsaw (2241/15) = 149,4
Rotterdam (1946/15) = 129,7m
Milan (1818/15) = 121,2

In the top 15 frankfurt is passing by Paris.
that's a cool idea with that dividing.

Shouldn't Istanbul be 194,5m instead of 184,5m?
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that's a cool idea with that dividing.

Shouldn't Istanbul be 194,5m instead of 184,5m?
Yes you are right, thank you.
Istanbul was just in the wrong line.

Istanbul (2767/15) = 184,5

Moscow (3646/15) = 243,1m
London (2875/15) = 191,6m
Frankfurt (2771/15) = 184,7m
Istanbul (2767/15) = 184,5m
Paris (2699/15) = 180m
Warsaw (2241/15) = 149,4
Rotterdam (1946/15) = 129,7m
Milan (1818/15) = 121,2

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Yes you are right, thank you.
Istanbul was just in the wrong line.

Istanbul (2767/15) = 184,5

Moscow (3646/15) = 243,1m
London (2875/15) = 191,6m
Frankfurt (2771/15) = 184,7m
Istanbul (2767/15) = 184,5m
Paris (2699/15) = 180m
Warsaw (2241/15) = 149,4
Rotterdam (1946/15) = 129,7m
Milan (1818/15) = 121,2
Rotterdam-The Hague = 2127/15 = 141.8
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