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Old May 11th, 2013, 08:33 PM   #1761
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Google said that I'm right , and every internet reference is referred to it as Yekaterinburg and that is that!
Wikpedia and google yahoo call it Yekaterinburg
In English is Catherine not Catherene
The main argument here if (I) is present
Ah man, you didn't get me at all. Carefully read your first message (the one with the screenshot from Google) again You proved well that it is Yekaterinburg with your link, I agree!

It is just that you still wrote Yekatrinburg yourself and you missed "e" (between "t" and "r") in the middle. Twice. Just this and all this, cheers
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Old May 11th, 2013, 08:58 PM   #1762
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Moscow is going very strong too (although I would finally skip the red star upon stalinist buildings, you do not really use swastika in Germany, don't you).
The comparing of red star with swastika is very laughable.
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Old May 11th, 2013, 09:27 PM   #1763
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The comparing of red star with swastika is very laughable.
Why? Swastika is an old symbol used by many cultures (originally being for example symbol of harmony) that was unfortunately twisted by an ideology of national socialism primarily in Germany (and other states) that killed millions of people and now it is forbidden in probably most states in the world. Rightfully so.

Red star is based on an old general symbol of a star (for example symbolizing enlightement) and was unfortunately twisted by an ideology of communism primarily in Russia (and other states) that killed millions of people and now it should be forbidden in my opinion. That would be logical and rightful.

And note: I'm not judging here anybody (or not hating any country as I truly appreciate Russian [or German for that instance] input into culture, let alone one of my favourite writers is Dostoyevsky) and don't want any flame wars to start, please. Just stating facts. Cheers mate!

Very sorry for the offtopic.
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Old May 11th, 2013, 09:49 PM   #1764
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Red star is based on an old general symbol of a star (for example symbolizing enlightement) and was unfortunately twisted by an ideology of communism primarily in Russia (and other states) that killed millions of people...
Red Star is an symbol of Soviet Army (and current Russian Army) which defeated Nazi aggressors and saved millions of people at the territory of the former USSR. During the war, my great-grandfather (he was lost in late-1941), my grandfather (who took part in the bloody Battle of Kursk 1943 and was been wounded twice in January 1945 during the Battle of Warsaw) and my father's aunt (she served in the Soviet Air Forces) wore military uniform with emblem of Red Star.

As a matter of fact, seven Stalin's skyscrapers were built under influence of Soviet Victory in WWII.

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... and now it should be forbidden in my opinion. That would be logical and rightful.
AFAIK, even Polish court (as well as courts in other EU states) recognized that such ban is contrary to the freedom of speech and freedom of art that should be guaranteed in the Constitution of any democratic state. I hope you prefer to live in democratic country.
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Old May 11th, 2013, 10:11 PM   #1765
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Red Star is an symbol of Soviet Army (and current Russian Army) which defeated Nazi aggressors and saved millions of people at the territory of the former USSR. During the war, my great-grandfather (he was lost in late-1941), my grandfather (who took part in the bloody Battle of Kursk 1943 and was been wounded twice in January 1945 during the Battle of Warsaw) and my father's aunt (she served in the Soviet Air Forces) wore military uniform with emblem of Red Star.

As a matter of fact, seven Stalin's skyscrapers were built under influence of Soviet Victory in WWII.

AFAIK, even Polish court (as well as courts in other EU states) recognized that such ban is contrary to the freedom of speech and freedom of art that should be guaranteed in the Constitution of any democratic state. I hope you prefer to live in democratic country.
Of course I do not say here anything about particular people that fought and/or died bravely (I'm sorry about your fathers). I admit with no hesitance (as a historian myself) that it was above all (maybe some 70% of the general effort) the Red Army that won the war against Germany and their allies and not really the allied armies in the west (of course they played their big and important part too).

But at the same time I must oppose the ideology which (as it turned in some countries into totalitarian regime) was responsible for millions of victims (apparently many times more than national socialism ever took - although not so obvious) - especially in former Soviet Union and China. And its general symbol is still the red star and the hammer and the sickle.

But of course every country has its own order and laws so the others should not interfere and that is ok. I'm just stating here my opinion and that's all.

I really enjoy living in democratic country and this discussion proves that it works really good

I believe if we want to continue this topic we should use private messages, cheers.
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@AlekseyVT: do you feel like living in a democratic state? what would happen if you would protest against your dictator Putin?
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Old May 11th, 2013, 10:49 PM   #1767
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@AlekseyVT: do you feel like living in a democratic state?
Yes, I feel.

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what would happen if you would protest against your dictator Putin?
First of all, I don't considered Putin as dictator. Moreover, I sure that he did a lot for my country during first two terms (and photos from Russian cities in this thread are very indicative in this plan), although he was forced to faced with a lot of great problems in 2000 (unfortunately, some problems still remained unsolved). I voted for him last year (but I could freely vote for any of his opponents). Unfortunately, today I don't see any politician who can better replace Putin on president post in the future. But I hope for real alternative by 2018.

About protests - you can freely protest against his policy if you don't want to violate current Russian law and rights and freedoms of other citizens (i.e. if you don't want to organize mass riots and clashes with police in order to get attention in Western and Russian oppositional mass-media).

By the way, the last anti-Putin protest took place on May 6, 2013 at Bolotnaya Square, not so far from Kremlin. Nobody was arrested or fined.
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Old May 11th, 2013, 10:58 PM   #1768
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Old May 11th, 2013, 11:07 PM   #1769
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Google said that I'm right , and every internet reference is referred to it as Yekaterinburg and that is that!
Wikpedia and google yahoo call it Yekaterinburg
In English is Catherine not Catherene
The main argument here if (I) is present
What Google says is holy for americans. And Wikipedia is the Holy Scripture?
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Old May 12th, 2013, 01:45 AM   #1771
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Why? Swastika is an old symbol used by many cultures (originally being for example symbol of harmony) that was unfortunately twisted by an ideology of national socialism primarily in Germany (and other states) that killed millions of people and now it is forbidden in probably most states in the world. Rightfully so.

Red star is based on an old general symbol of a star (for example symbolizing enlightement) and was unfortunately twisted by an ideology of communism primarily in Russia (and other states) that killed millions of people and now it should be forbidden in my opinion. That would be logical and rightful.

And note: I'm not judging here anybody (or not hating any country as I truly appreciate Russian [or German for that instance] input into culture, let alone one of my favourite writers is Dostoyevsky) and don't want any flame wars to start, please. Just stating facts. Cheers mate!

Very sorry for the offtopic.
the Communist ideology is based on very humanistic values but how it was implemented in some countries in it early stages it is another question. Would you ban cross too because of inquisition and what did in the name of Jesus Konkistodors in Americas? I hope no. The Nazi ideology is based on total distruction and hateral of other races and nations. So it is impossible to compare these two ideas.
About Putin: He is not a dictator! You can go out and scream that Putin is eating children for brekfast and you won't be arrested. I understand you live in the west which is totally controlled by USA propaganda and your media is biased and only portrays Russia in dark colors
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Old May 12th, 2013, 02:59 AM   #1774
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@AlekseyVT: do you feel like living in a democratic state? what would happen if you would protest against your dictator Putin?
Putin is a bad dictator he attacked Iraq, Afghanistan and runs gitmo from the Kremlin
I could say more about him but you know the forum rules guys please stick to the skyscrapers
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Old May 12th, 2013, 03:01 AM   #1775
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Grrr... guys this thread could be locked because of people like you, last time it was

@ Klausdiggy I don't believe it's Warsaw I believe it's Paris
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Old May 12th, 2013, 04:36 AM   #1779
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Grrr... guys this thread could be locked because of people like you, last time it was

@ Klausdiggy I don't believe it's Warsaw I believe it's Paris
But still, that was a photo of Warsaw Look at Stalinist skyscraper, for example.


Here's a bit more of Moscow:
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Grrr... guys this thread could be locked because of people like you, last time it was

@ Klausdiggy I don't believe it's Warsaw I believe it's Paris
If you mean la defense that is not so immediately in Paris but on the edge.
I could have still talking with the City of London with me, but for me it seems Warsaw greater.
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