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View Poll Results: Should cyclists pay road tax?
Yes, they should pay tax like any other road user 4 6.56%
Yes but only if ringfenced for cycle infrastructure 9 14.75%
No, cyclists should get everything they want for free 48 78.69%
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 03:35 PM   #61
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Makes notes.
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 03:43 PM   #62
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Makes notes.
should you want to indulge - the drill is to lurk discreetly, engage eye contact, and then pay for the shoes she is trying on - kerb crawling sloane street style - a huge number are escorts for whom this works.

of course you might just get a non working girl like myself who merely wants a free pair of shoes and will swan out with them after you've coughed up. done it a few times, always a laugh - trying to get in the lift a bit quick.

beware of knightsbridge girls - it isn't just divorce settlements we're after

although i've never heard of the 'cafe rogue' - presumably the person means cafe rouge.
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 05:02 PM   #63
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I also think cyclists should have to wear helmets, wait at lights (& not become pedestrians, as & when it suits), etc..
but that wont help increase cycle use!!! You are clearly lacking in vision.

repeat link once again....

Is Berlin the safest city to be a cyclist?
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 05:03 PM   #64
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what is wrong with prostitutes? it already is a red light district - has long been so. harvey nichols fifth floor bar - and strangely the shoe dept - are the classiest pick up joints in town, and chelsea cloisters is estimated to contain more 'working flats' than any single building in london, soho included.
interesting, so the residents groups are even more hypocritical pulling that card!
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 05:16 PM   #65
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Let's assume scouseinmanc isn't trolling and he really does want cyclists to pay VED.

How would it work?

If a VED-paying driver leaves the car at home and cycles in, does he or she get a refund? After all, they've already paid!

What about children? Does scouseinmanc really want to tax children for having the temerity of using a bike to get to class?

Who enforces the rule? How much would it cost to implement the tax? How much is the tax?

Nobody can answer these questions because it's ridiculous idea, you might as well try to ban the word "Thursday" or make cheese illegal.
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 05:17 PM   #66
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interesting, so the residents groups are even more hypocritical pulling that card!
i didn't know they had. but if they have then yes, it's pretty hypocritical.

i know at least one in my building of 8 flats - and likewise friends and neighbours all say the same - it's kind of a running joke in some buildings ''no it isn't me you're looking for, try buzzer 6''.
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 05:24 PM   #67
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- it's kind of a running joke in some buildings ''no it isn't me you're looking for, try buzzer 6''.

Off Wardour Street, Sebastian Horsley's (sic) old house:

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Old November 23rd, 2012, 06:25 PM   #68
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Because they're lazy and/or unfit.
Because they dont wanna die...
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 06:32 PM   #69
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I find that difficult to believe. I don't think I've ever met anyone or heard anyone express a desire to cycle coupled with a crippling fear of death stopping them from doing it. People just generally don't want to be peddling a bike in mostly shitty weather when they can be sat on their arse in a nice comfortable car.
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 06:37 PM   #70
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I find that difficult to believe. I don't think I've ever met anyone or heard anyone express a desire to cycle coupled with a crippling fear of death stopping them from doing it. People just generally don't want to be peddling a bike in mostly shitty weather when they can be sat on their arse in a nice comfortable car.
I cycle in my home town, outside of London but I think it would be reckless to cycle in London so I don't.

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Because they dont wanna die...
i am neither lazy, nor unfit, nor scared to die on a bicycle - i just prefer to walk/take public transport/drive/be driven. i wouldn't get on a bike unless i was holiday because don't wear sporty clothes outside the gym, and i'm not turning up to meetings on a bike or modifying my clothing like these ridiculous people who have trainers for commuting and heels for the office.
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 06:41 PM   #72
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Because they dont wanna die...
Per mile travelled cycling's about as risky as walking, but cyclists are fitter, slimmer, their heart is stronger and lung capacity better, and if you cycle ten miles a day you can drink as much beer as you like. I have no medical knowledge whatsoever.

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Old November 23rd, 2012, 08:26 PM   #73
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I will say though, Cycle to work and you feel so much more alert and motivated. It really does wake you up. I stopped Cycling because I need to take my Bike for repairs. Just not got around to it.

If I lived on the Island again, I wouldn't use any other form of transport (unless I was leaving the city, and then it's train). There really is no excuse not to Cycle in Portsmouth if you are fit to do so (my friend has Epilepsy so is driven to work, this is a good example of those who DO need a car).
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Per mile travelled cycling's about as risky as walking, but cyclists are fitter, slimmer, their heart is stronger and lung capacity better, and if you cycle ten miles a day you can drink as much beer as you like. I have no medical knowledge whatsoever.

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I don't think cycling is unreasonably dangerous Spindrift, I think cycling in London is dangerous.

I applaud people who cycle in London, I see them as pioneers and hopefully one day there will be grade separated lanes and devoted backstreets for cycling - as there was in Lund, Sweden (I studied and cycled there for a year). But the prospect of me cycling to work is as likely as me driving to work, nill.
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Old November 24th, 2012, 12:02 AM   #75
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but that wont help increase cycle use!!! You are clearly lacking in vision.

repeat link once again....

Is Berlin the safest city to be a cyclist?
Potto, I never said it would. Just more of my opinion

In regard to the link. I never posted one?
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Old November 24th, 2012, 01:08 AM   #76
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Every time we use the tube we pay for it, even if the tube is empty. The government tops up our fares with generous subsidies.

I would like to pay a cycling tax if the money raised were topped up by government subsidies and all invested into some decent cycling infrastructure, which currently does not exist in London (other than for blue coloured asphalt).

We should be able to direct much more of our tax towards what we want to get in return for it.

Today everybody is paying tax for some useless wars and how many people complain about that?

Furthermore, as road tax and petrol duty far exceed what is spent on roads, instead of it going to general government expenditure, should be spent on cycling infrastructure so that more car drivers will leave their car at home and cycle.

Cycling is the cheapest way for the government to fight congestion, much cheaper than building tube lines, yet it does not promote it in any way.

For me cycling in London remains a week-end hobby and is not a serious transport alternative because it is just too dangerous considering the many junctions I have to navigate. Cycling tax or no tax, one needs to start to invest in something beyond blue asphalt. And yes I believe it is so important I'd gladly pay tax for it.
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I will say though, Cycle to work and you feel so much more alert and motivated. It really does wake you up. I stopped Cycling because I need to take my Bike for repairs. Just not got around to it.

If I lived on the Island again, I wouldn't use any other form of transport (unless I was leaving the city, and then it's train). There really is no excuse not to Cycle in Portsmouth if you are fit to do so (my friend has Epilepsy so is driven to work, this is a good example of those who DO need a car).
Or a bus/train/taxi ?
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Old November 24th, 2012, 03:24 AM   #78
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No train to work for her, buses take too long and there is no direct route (she likes to be in by 7.30) and taxis are expensive.
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No train to work for her, buses take too long and there is no direct route (she likes to be in by 7.30) and taxis are expensive.
is she not entitled to a taxicard thing that puts a cap on the fare?
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Never heard of one. Still probably cheaper to be driven to work.

The amount she carries with her to work as well makes buses unsuitable.
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