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Old December 10th, 2012, 02:40 PM   #121
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...which will only push London to greater independence.
London isn't independent, and there's no mainstream interest in it becoming so. Potto strikes again.
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Old December 10th, 2012, 05:46 PM   #122
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London isn't independent, and there's no mainstream interest in it becoming so. Potto strikes again.
However people in London have different outlooks and attitudes than more rural parts of the country. In fact London (and its inhabitant's attitudes) has more in common with NYC or Sydney than with Cumbria or Northumberland.

No one serious is talking about the independence but around the world big cities are becoming more and more influential and its mayors are becoming major political figures.
Few years ago there was no Mayor of London. Now there is one. Who knows, maybe in few more years Britain will become less centralized and more powers will come down to London.
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Old December 10th, 2012, 06:43 PM   #123
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and why does cnapan think Margaret Thatcher disbanded the GLC in the first place!
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Old December 10th, 2012, 08:26 PM   #124
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The fact of the matter is the more immigration we have the more unemployed people we will have, and the more unemployed people we have the poorer the country will be.

Of those unemployed people, some will be immigrants and some will be people who were born here.

On top of an increasing unemployed population which makes the country poorer, other things that will be affected are housing - which there will never be enough of, particularly housing for all those extra people who do not work and therefore do not pay tax, and whose rent and entire lives is paid for by the government.

There are other things: a strain on the National Health Service, currently there is an increasing population of which the NHS cannot cope with, and its getting worse. School places: there are many children in London who do not go to school because there are not enough school places. The country will never have enough money to build enough schools or for the NHS to cope properly. The money simply is not there.

The blame lies with Tony Blairs Labour Government. All countries are struggling but Labour spent the country into a debt which they did not need to do. In fact the UK's debt is worse than Greece's. They were the ones who introduced a mass immigration policy. There had always been immigration before that but never on such a massive scale. What were they thinking ? I mean it should have been obvious that there would not be enough jobs and housing etc...

I certainly won't vote for Labour again but it would be interesting to see what they would do if re-elected. The deficit is set to go on until 2017. So far Milliband has yet to come up with ideas for growth that do not put us back further into debt. I am pretty sure once the deficit has been paid off and the country has been sorted out by the Conservatives that Labour will then be re-elected again, and they will go full steam ahead with spending. But they won't be able to make same catastrophic moves that were made during the "Blair Years".

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Old December 10th, 2012, 08:49 PM   #125
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Hmm, I didn't know that number of jobs is finite resource.

But thanks to Skyscrapercity I learn something every day

I just wonder how it is that London with all the immigrants flooding it has GDP per capita so much higher than the North East. And significantly lower unemployment.
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Old December 10th, 2012, 09:43 PM   #126
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The fact of the matter is the more immigration we have the more unemployed people we will have, and the more unemployed people we have the poorer the country will be.
In 2004 when Poland acceded to the EU we had half a million unemployed in the UK.

Upwards of 400,000 Poles came here, found work, and made London bar staff 14.8% more attractive. What does that tell you?
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Old December 11th, 2012, 02:00 PM   #127
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Yeah, it's a good point. There are probably about 1 million Poles in the UK now, and basically not one of them is unemployed.
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Old December 11th, 2012, 02:12 PM   #128
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dude, if you tone down your aggression and sarcasm it would be easier to see what point you're making. Naturally some Poles didn't find work, they're not entitled to any benefits if they haven't been paying NI for a while so they're not a drain. They are preferred by employers for being diligent and hard-working:

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The job agencies that prefer foreign workers.

Employers complain of poor work ethic among Britons, with foreigners also happier to travel to find work
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/ju...oreign-workers

You're an employer and the choice is between a feckless Jeremy Kyle-style indigenous applicant or a keen, eager Polish lad. Your call.
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Old December 11th, 2012, 02:16 PM   #129
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I'm not sure who your comment was directed at spindthrift, but I was being completely sincere with my last comment!
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Old December 11th, 2012, 02:24 PM   #130
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Then I sincerely beg your pardon, some of your other posts are rather intemperate, apologies.

Also, Polish girls have high cheek bones and attractive laughs, bring then on, I say!
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Old December 11th, 2012, 02:25 PM   #131
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The fact of the matter is the more immigration we have the more unemployed people we will have, and the more unemployed people we have the poorer the country will be.=
What a load of balls, so when people mass immigrated to the US, for every immigrant, they had to share a job with a native US citizen? BULLS**T. I immigrated to the UK BECAUSE my dad was offered a job here. Not because he "took" it from anyone or because it was "someone else's job", but because he was SKILLED and was OFFERED it. I am against Labour's mass immigration policy, but claiming that immigrants are all unemployed benefit stealing scroungers is just rubbish. Think of all the immigrants that CREATE jobs in the country. The UK has one of the highest percentages of "work immigrants" in Europe, as well as one of the lowest percentages of "family immigration". The map should help (and sorry it's in French).
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Statistics from last year’s census show that 45 per cent of the capital’s 8.2 million population class themselves as white Britons. That compares with a figure of 58 per cent when the last census was compiled in 2001.

One of the key reasons for the change is a sharp increase in the number of foreign born people living in London. They now account for 37 per cent of the capital’s population, compared with only a quarter a decade earlier. The largest number of such residents come from India, who account for three per cent of the London population, followed by Poles, who make up two per cent. But there has also been a big increase in ethnic minority Britons with the numbers of black, Asian and mixed race Londoners born in this country all rising significantly.

Statisticians said the census figures showed that London was the most diverse part of the country and was leading the way as the number of ethnic minority and foreign born residents rose nationwide.

Other key statistics from the census show that London has:

The best qualified population in the country.
The lowest proportion of home
owners and the highest proportion of people who rent.
The lowest level of car ownership.
The highest proportion of Muslims, Hindus, Jews and Buddhists.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/ce...e-8405998.html

Interesting stuff.
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Old December 11th, 2012, 02:45 PM   #133
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Employers complain of poor work ethic among Britons, with foreigners also happier to travel to find work http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/ju...oreign-workers
oh dear thats hatred, considering uk built the modern world.
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Old December 11th, 2012, 02:50 PM   #134
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It's pragmatic. And the UK was built with the help of slave labour so it's a bit rich to complain about the imperial chickens coming home to roost. The fastest-growing race in the UK is "mixed". Much as the far-right would like to paint a picture of racial divisions us Brits are welcoming immigrants and foreigners, having red-hot rumpy-pumpy with them and making babies.
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Old December 11th, 2012, 03:06 PM   #135
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no I think the uk built the modern world after it abolish slavery, which is good.

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Old December 11th, 2012, 03:10 PM   #136
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You think the Industrial revolution was after 1833?
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wage slavey is different and still happens today as I am going to work now.
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Old December 11th, 2012, 03:24 PM   #138
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You think the Industrial revolution was after 1833?
The second one was yes, the one that have us the railways.
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Old December 11th, 2012, 03:27 PM   #139
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By 1833 the IR had been going on for 80 years already.

Christ, the comments beneath that Standard story are depressing, immigrants are being blamed for us not getting much rain.
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Old December 11th, 2012, 03:29 PM   #140
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Luxemburg 43%

Switzerland 22%

Latvia 17.4%

Cyprus 15.9%

Estonia 15.9%

Spain 12.3%

Austria 10.5%

Belgium 9.7%

Germany 8.7%

Ireland 8.6%

Greece 8.4%


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UK 7%

EU(27) 6.5%


This figures are the percentages of foreigners per native population. It does not seem that the UK is the most attractive place for emigrants to go to. The percentage of foreigners is just slightly above the average for the European Union.

http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/cac...-11-034-EN.PDF
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