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[WatcherZero]

Originally Posted by jrb

FFS, give it a rest Watcher. Is that your sole purpose in life to constantly pick fault with Manchester City Football club?

If you don't like the club and what it now stands for, do us all a favour and don't post on the relevant threads.

What do you mean, im neither a fan of city nor a fan of united, I just call it like it is, if you cant deal with the negative you support the wrong club, try supporting a rugby club instead.

[jrb]

Originally Posted by WatcherZero

What do you mean, im neither a fan of city nor a fan of united, I just call it like it is, if you cant deal with the negative you support the wrong club, try supporting a rugby club instead.

That's the problem Watcher, you constantly call it like it is, wrongly. And it's boring. In fact it has been boring for quite a while. I/we get your.....(fill in as appropriate) Nobody is interested TBH. If you're not going to contribute in a positive and worthwhile manner to City related topics/threads, don't bother. Save your petty bitching and sniping for another topic/thread.

Wait a minute! Deal with the negative? Go on then enlighten us all.

And why would I want to support a Rugby club? Because.....

[jrb]

Originally Posted by DiscoSteve

As I mentioned on BM, I can stand the £1300+VAT option as long I can pay quarterly/monthly. I wouldn't move though because I am in a group of about 20 or possibly more members of Bredbury Blues Supporters Club Branch in 201 - it would have to be a group decision I think. And standing is a PITA as I'm a shortarse - much prefer to be sat on my squishy seat

Fair enough Steve.

Take it you picked up on the interest free monthly payments mentioned on the first email survey?

[Cherguevara]

Originally Posted by jrb

That's the problem Watcher, you constantly call it like it is, wrongly. And it's boring. In fact it has been boring for quite a while. I/we get your.....(fill in as appropriate) Nobody is interested TBH. If you're not going to contribute in a positive and worthwhile manner to City related topics/threads, don't bother. Save your petty bitching and sniping for another topic/thread.

Wait a minute! Deal with the negative? Go on then enlighten us all.

And why would I want to support a Rugby club? Because.....

You are a wee bit sensitive where City/ADUG are concerned jerbster.

[jrb]

Originally Posted by Cherguevara

You are a wee bit sensitive where City/ADUG are concerned jerbster.

Not at all Che.

If it's fact or the truth I'll accept it, regardless.

However, Watcher has been constantly at it regarding City/ADUG.

Even the most ardent Reds on here can see what positives ADUG have brought to the club and East Manchester.

I don't claim for 1 minute ADUG are perfect, but what they've achieved so far, and what they have planned, should be supported, not.....

Which other group would invest so much time and money in one area, in these times of economic hardship?

F*** me(excuse the language), without their support and investment the club and East Manchester would still be.......

[WatcherZero]

Originally Posted by jrb

Not at all Che.

If it's fact or the truth I'll accept it, regardless.

However, Watcher has been constantly at it regarding City.

Even the most ardent Reds on here can see what positives ADUG have brought to the club and East Manchester.

I don't claim for 1 minute ADUG are perfect, but what they've achieved so far, and what they have planned, should be applauded.

F*** me(excuse the language), without their support and investment, the club and East manchester would still be.......

Go on then, point to a negative story ive posted about City other than Tevez being banned from driving, something I pointed out also took place while he was at United.

[jrb]

Originally Posted by WatcherZero

Go on then, point to a negative story ive posted about City other than Tevez being banned from driving, something I pointed out also took place while he was at United.

Also significant that Etihad use Emirates stadium accomdation as example? Dont want to be outdone?

Yawn. Please.

There's been plenty of other pops along the way.

I just call it like it is

Go on then, call it. Enlighten us.

if you cant deal with the negative

And what negative would that be?

That you can't see the players from that picture. Or is it something else?

[WatcherZero]

Im making a serious point, why do you think THEY selected Emirates as their own point of reference?

Youve proved it JRB, youve proved your inablity to take negatives, taken a criticism of poor viewing at Munich stadium as a personal insult on your beloved club. Are you forgetting this is an architecture forum not a football supporters forum?

[jrb]

Originally Posted by WatcherZero

Im making a serious point, why do you think THEY selected Emirates as their own point of reference?

Youve proved it JRB, youve proved your inablity to take negatives, taken a criticism of poor viewing at Munich stadium as a personal insult on your beloved club. Are you forgetting this is an architecture forum not a football supporters forum?

How does a picture of the Allianz Arena relate to the expansion of the Etihad and any new sightlines? It's just a small/poor picture. A stadium with a 3rd tier. A vauge comparison included in the email survey.(people like pictures) Nothing else. Yet you felt the need/urge to pick up on that minor detail, rather than looking at the bigger picture of the stadium expansion as a whole. Hence the thread.

And once again.......

Also significant that Etihad use Emirates stadium accomdation as example? Dont want to be outdone?

Yet your....

neither a fan of city nor a fan of united

If that's the case, it shouldn't bother you, let alone enter your mind. Outdone? You've lost me.(that's not difficult jrb)

Comparisons will always be looked at and used. Where do you think the model for the new training academy came from? Exactly, from numerous other training acadamies around the world, which officials of the club visited.

Tell you what Watcher. When the details of the stadium expansion finally emerge, you can pull every and any negative you want about it, and how it relates to other stadia. Until then.....

[DiscoSteve]

My Virtual Concrete Mixer has been at work again....

I have been redoing my Google Sketchup Model based on the Survey Diagram that shows City are looking to use all the space on the ends at the third tier level without touching the roof.

Today's Sky View

Expanded


Today's Third Tier North Stand View

Expanded


Today's Dugout View

Expanded


Today's View From East Stand Boxes

Expanded


Today's View From South Stand Level1

Expanded

[RMB2007]

Kinda disappointing if that's all they're planning to do. Was hoping for something much grander, but maybe that'll happen later on.

[DiscoSteve]

I think this is ALL they can do without starting on the roof - the word on BM is that expansion is a two stage affair; first fill the corners/ends under the roof to get to c60,000; and then a full scale roof off extra tier 80,000 monster :-)

[RMB2007]

Originally Posted by DiscoSteve

I think this is ALL they can do without starting on the roof - the word on BM is that expansion is a two stage affair; first fill the corners/ends under the roof to get to c60,000; and then a full scale roof off extra tier 80,000 monster :-)

Now that really would be awesome! Just a quick before and after I did showing what the 60,000 version could look like.

Before:



After:

[DiscoSteve]

@RMB2007 - your mockup is EXACTLY how I saw the stage one 60,000 work

I can't see them filling the corners at the top of Level 2 with boxes because the space isn't deep enough and possibly, this might be the way out for those in the new 3rd tier - steps down to here from which they then leave through the staircases either side of the existing boxes sat ontop of tier 2

[Uomo Senza Nome]

I dont see the above renders reaching 60,000 from 47,000.

Uniteds expansion was huge to gain those thousands in comparison?

God, please do for 80,000. United would have to respond and the rest of the Premier League may as well give up.

[Norb]

Originally Posted by RMB2007

Now that really would be awesome! Just a quick before and after I did showing what the 60,000 version could look like.

After:

But where would the screens go?

[Karate_Kev]

looks good with the three tiers

[Norb]

Originally Posted by WatcherZero

Im making a serious point, why do you think THEY selected Emirates as their own point of reference?

Youve proved it JRB, youve proved your inablity to take negatives, taken a criticism of poor viewing at Munich stadium as a personal insult on your beloved club. Are you forgetting this is an architecture forum not a football supporters forum?

WZ - having received the same survey as jrb and Disco - they used pictures from various sports stadia around the world to illustrate their various options - probably the closest match from a large library of available pictures to the changes that were being proposed

eg:

[DiscoSteve]

Originally Posted by Uomo Senza Nome

I dont see the above renders reaching 60,000 from 47,000.

I'm not so sure either - maybe they'll pull the front edge forward a bit more - my renders assumed the overhang (3rd tier front edge over top of 2nd tier & boxes) to be the same as the sides.

Rags did get an extra 7,000 in just two corners in the last Swamp Expansion and this is 4 corners and across each end too, so who knows...

[Uomo Senza Nome]

The two corners at OT took expansion from 67000 to 76500, reduced later by removing seats for more boxes. So those two corners at OT are deceptively large, costing £90m to wedge in.

10000 extra seats in reality. Possible I guess to see an extra 13,000 especially if a larger overhang is included.