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Old November 10th, 2008, 03:59 AM   #1
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Got a surprise in this mornings SMH about AMP's plans for another tower in Loftus St. The council dont like it but AMP want the state government involved.

I recall a similar proposal for a few years ago that got canned.



From The Sydney Morning Herald
Shadowlands: a hole in the heart of the quay
November 10, 2008

THE site of the first government house in Bridge Street could be cast in shadow if a proposal to build a 35-storey office block behind Custom House Quay is backed by the State Government.

AMP Capital Investors has pitched the concept of an office tower with a large hole in the middle of it to allow sunlight through to be built over the laneways running between Loftus and Young streets.

Planning and heritage experts worry that the building, the latest of several attempts by AMP to develop the site, would still cast shadows across First Government House Place and nearby Macquarie Place, block harbour views and create a wind corridor.

Any new tower on the site, which is behind Customs House and opposite the AMP Centre, would be likely to breach council planning laws designed to protect city sunlight.

The proposal comes amid a review of City of Sydney planning laws, the first review since 1994.

Planning experts familiar with the design say it is unworkable in its current state and are worried AMP will lobby the Government for an exemption from local planning laws.

A spokeswoman for AMP Capital said the concept sought to maximise the public space benefits, bring new life to the laneways, increase winter sunlight on the northern end of Macquarie Place and provide a public sky garden with views over Circular Quay.

She said AMP would also restore the heritage Gallipoli Memorial Club and Hinchcliff wool store on the site.

Under Sydney's local environment plan, sunlight to nominated parks and community places in the CBD is protected during certain times. For example, no additional overshadowing is allowed over First Government House Place, in front of the Museum of Sydney, between noon and 2pm and over Macquarie Place between 10am and 2pm.

Tom Uren, a community activist and minister in the Whitlam and Hawke federal governments, said he was "deeply concerned" the tower would "effectively steal the winter sunshine from a substantial area around the Museum of Sydney".

"Already the [existing] tall AMP building affects the winter sunlight," he said.

Others are believed to be worried about how the building will add to the crowding of the skyline above First Government House Place, a spacious plaza in front of the Museum of Sydney that marks the site of Governor Arthur Phillip's house.

The discovery in 1983 of the foundations of Australia's first permanent building led to a public uproar over plans to build a 44-storey building on the site, and they were rejected.

The city built the Museum of Sydney and the plaza instead.
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Old November 10th, 2008, 08:06 AM   #2
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Cul - just for the record - with the 1962 AMP Building forever and a day it's height was quoted as being 383 feet - I noticed on Emporis it says 115m. 377 feet. Is that right? Also - years ago when I contacted Peddle Thorpe about AMP Centre they said it's Ground Floor was RL 55.50feet - top of building RL 666.60feet - so - 611.1 feet tall. Is 188m/617feet from a lower point than Ground Floor? Hope the new one goes ahead. Thanks.
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Old November 10th, 2008, 09:02 AM   #3
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This proposal is crap, the Council should never approve it
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Old November 10th, 2008, 09:22 AM   #4
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Tom Uren, a community activist and minister in the Whitlam and Hawke federal governments, said he was "deeply concerned" the tower would "effectively steal the winter sunshine from a substantial area around the Museum of Sydney".

It's quotes like these that make me ignore any good points any nimbys might have to make.
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Old November 10th, 2008, 09:38 AM   #5
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Fancy digging up Tom Uren!!! I thought he was dead!!
I notice they didn't manage to find anyone with a positive comment, just the usual suspects who are guaranteed to have negative opinions.
Funny that.
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Old November 10th, 2008, 10:00 AM   #6
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Cul - just for the record - with the 1962 AMP Building forever and a day it's height was quoted as being 383 feet - I noticed on Emporis it says 115m. 377 feet. Is that right? Also - years ago when I contacted Peddle Thorpe about AMP Centre they said it's Ground Floor was RL 55.50feet - top of building RL 666.60feet - so - 611.1 feet tall. Is 188m/617feet from a lower point than Ground Floor? Hope the new one goes ahead. Thanks.
i put all the heights for emporis.
the 383ft/118m is height above sea level.
the taller AMP is 203mRl or 188m above grd floor. sounds like peddle thorp couldnt read plans? lol
our heights are taken from stereo digital data from aerial photography fly over. its accurate to 1cm.
this bldg can go as high as AMP. lets hope they do.
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Old November 10th, 2008, 11:54 AM   #7
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i must agree though that it's not the best spot for a tower. i hate the city of sydneys stringent restrictions at times because they are too stringent but i do support protecting sun access planes when it is a worthy area and i think macquarie place park and the museum of sydney forecourt are worth protecting to minimise shade in those areas.
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Old November 11th, 2008, 07:49 AM   #8
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Thanks Cul - The proposed new building is in a very prominent position - let's hope the design will be outstanding - at least as good as Space or Aurora. It would be nice to see it reach at least 180m. Sydney needs a couple more 200 odd metre tall buildings.
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^yes only the heritage bldgs would stay. the rest demolished.
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^yes only the heritage bldgs would stay. the rest demolished.
Yeah, Gallipoli Club is a heritage one, but No 20 Loftus St is a shitty 8 storey office block from the 60s! Hope they can pull down that one too and create a small public plaza between Bridgeport apartments and this new tower..
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Old November 11th, 2008, 10:18 PM   #11
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yes the gallipolli club will stay and the sandstone no5 young st.but all the rest will be razed.
which includes
2-10loftus (peko house),16-20 loftus,9-13 young & 15-17 young st.

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i must agree though that it's not the best spot for a tower. i hate the city of sydneys stringent restrictions at times because they are too stringent but i do support protecting sun access planes when it is a worthy area and i think macquarie place park and the museum of sydney forecourt are worth protecting to minimise shade in those areas.
The park I can maybe understand... but the museum forecourt? There's a cafe there and that's about it.
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the museum forecourt is a public space and is protected like a park.
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Fancy digging up Tom Uren!!! I thought he was dead!!
- exactly what I thought when I read the article...
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yes the gallipolli club will stay and the sandstone no5 young st.but all the rest will be razed.
which includes
2-10loftus (peko house),16-20 loftus,9-13 young & 15-17 young st.
wow, 2-10 Loftus ground level facade has a heritage value too..

what is the building envelope? The SMH picture is all wrong, right?
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Old November 12th, 2008, 09:31 AM   #16
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i went for a wander around there today and it seems like there are a couple of old heritage buildings. surely they won't be going?
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as i said theres only 2 heritage bldgs on the block. -gallipoli club and 5 young st.
the rest are 4x 10 storeys bldgs buit. in the 70s'
alt-yeah the peko house facade will be retained.
who knows what envelope will be at this stage.
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as i said theres only 2 heritage bldgs on the block. -gallipoli club and 5 young st.
the rest are 4x 10 storeys bldgs buit. in the 70s'
alt-yeah the peko house facade will be retained.
who knows what envelope will be at this stage.
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As mentioned in the APDG site thread today

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AMP want the galipoli tower site to be handed over to state gov to decide on. not sure whats happening with it.
yes the APDG site masterplan LEP is moving fast and thats why VALAD are moving quickly with its DA. the competition for the tower is happening as we speak.should know results within a month and then DA will be lodged before xmas.
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Hmmmm our office is right opposite the park and we all use it and it misses a lot of sun as it is, so I don't see us approving it ;o)
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