Do Iranian people support a foreign invasion to Iran?!

[Ahura_Mazda]

I also think they are done INSIDE IRAN.

[Irandoost]

Originally Posted by Ahura_Mazda

I also think they are done INSIDE IRAN.

I dont think USA or Europe care about what the Iranian people want.

It seems like MKO has massive amount of support not only from American politicans but also European politicans as well..

SO if Americans or Europeans want MKO to rule Iran. It will happen. It really doesn't matter what we want.

The truth is most Middle Eastern governments are puppets to America and Europe and serve their interets in the ME. Do we have a better choice? I

don't think so. Kind of depressing..

Same thing with the FSA, the majority of them are Islamist terrorists, and Syrians dont really want them to rule... But guess what? They got support

from 10 different countries... they got arms and are being recognized as the legitimate government.

So there is still a possibility that MKO will rule or at least be used for terrorists type attacks inside Iran, kind of like the FSA. I mean no American

citizen will tolerate another ME war, so they'll likely use MKO for any military operation inside Iran. MKO already operates on US military bases in

Afghanistan and Qatar, bahrain,etc..

So if the big dogs want MKO, they will get MKO...it really doesn't matter how we feel about it.....

[Ahura_Mazda]

I don't agree with you.

1. American don't have any plan for ME. Each time their president change its possible all of their policy also change toward Middle east. This is people in Middle East they are religious and the ME governments and dictators.

Both USA and Europe don't have money anymore to spend for foreign countries. Of course they like the dictators in Middle East, so they can develop their countries with ME oil, selling weapon in ME and so on. But I think its not fair to blame American and European for whats going on ME.

من همین گفتگو رو با همکار روسی خودم که استاد دانشگاه تو اروپا بود داشتم.

جوابی که به من داد این بود که کشور های خاورمیانه همیشه توسط یک دیکتاتور رهبری شدند، این ها از دموکراسی چی میفهمند؟
وقتی مردم تو مصر یک توریست میبینند راه میفتند پشتش، فکر میکنند هر خارجی که میاد انجا فاحشه است. این جور آدم ها رو فقط دیکتاتورها میتونند رهبری کنند.

من هم حوصله نداشتم که براشون فرق ایران رو با تونس و مصر توضیح بدم، یا راجء به اینکه دموکراسی ما رو انگلیسی ها آمریکایی ها با کودتا گرفتند.

والی جوابش رو دادم که نه تو مصر بلکه همه جهان روس ها به این کار ها مشغول هستند، چرا
مردم جهان
فکر نمیکنند اسپانیایی ها فاحشه هستند؟

نتیجه کلام اینکه ما باید یاد بگیریم مسول و جوابگوی کارها و رفتارمون باشیم نه اینکه همش دیگران رو مقصر بدونیم.

مثلا مردم هرکشور باید حکومت خودشون رو
پاسخگوی رفتارش در خارج از کشوربدونند..

ایران داره همه جهان حرکات تروریستی انجام بده، آرژانتین، تایلند، سودان، ... حزب الله، فلسطین. گند زاده به همه خاور میانه و جهان

بعدش ما میگیم به ما چی، این حکومت دموکراسی نیست و اینجور چیز ها.

[SoroushPersepolisi]

Originally Posted by Ahura_Mazda

I don't agree with you.

1. American don't have any plan for ME. Each time their president change its possible all of their policy also change toward Middle east. This is people in Middle East they are religious and the ME governments and dictators.

Both USA and Europe don't have money anymore to spend for foreign countries. Of course they like the dictators in Middle East, so they can develop their countries with ME oil, selling weapon in ME and so on. But I think its not fair to blame American and European for whats going on ME.

من همین گفتگو رو با همکار روسی خودم که استاد دانشگاه تو اروپا بود داشتم.

جوابی که به من داد این بود که کشور های خاورمیانه همیشه توسط یک دیکتاتور رهبری شدند، این ها از دموکراسی چی میفهمند؟
وقتی مردم تو مصر یک توریست میبینند راه میفتند پشتش، فکر میکنند هر خارجی که میاد انجا فاحشه است. این جور آدم ها رو فقط دیکتاتورها میتونند رهبری کنند.

من هم حوصله نداشتم که براشون فرق ایران رو با تونس و مصر توضیح بدم، یا راجء به اینکه دموکراسی ما رو انگلیسی ها آمریکایی ها با کودتا گرفتند.

والی جوابش رو دادم که نه تو مصر بلکه همه جهان روس ها به این کار ها مشغول هستند، چرا
مردم جهان
فکر نمیکنند اسپانیایی ها فاحشه هستند؟

نتیجه کلام اینکه ما باید یاد بگیریم مسول و جوابگوی کارها و رفتارمون باشیم نه اینکه همش دیگران رو مقصر بدونیم.

مثلا مردم هرکشور باید حکومت خودشون رو
پاسخگوی رفتارش در خارج از کشوربدونند..

ایران داره همه جهان حرکات تروریستی انجام بده، آرژانتین، تایلند، سودان، ... حزب الله، فلسطین. گند زاده به همه خاور میانه و جهان

بعدش ما میگیم به ما چی، این حکومت دموکراسی نیست و اینجور چیز ها.

[Irandoost]

US presidents follow the same foreign policy, they just go about it in different ways.Repunlicans=War, democrats=Covert operation.

One way to prove this is what's happening in Syria was planned in 2007 by the Bush Adminstration, yet Obama is following the same policy.

I read the above comment, but in modern days revolutions are not authentic anymore, unless they are well ahead planned by outside sources, and massivly advertised through propaganda or militants.


We can see that the Muslim brotherhood gaining grounds in Libya and Egypt by outside sources which were planned by Bush adminstartion in 2007.

and I think you are being naive towards the Egyptions, almost half of the eqyption think MB hijacked their revolution.


we can also see places like Bahrain where b/c of outside support oppsition forces were shut down and there was a virtual media blackout about it.

Revolutions are not authentic anymore. The US and European countries desginate their prefered governmnet and install them in Middle Eastern

countries to further their cause in the region.


The Gulf Arabs will not last One day in bahrain and saudi arabia if USA stops supporting them, you sound very naive to think these dictators are

chosen by their people, espcially places like Bahrain where the vast majority are very well educated and don't want to live under the "superior" arab

tribes. To say these people are poor and uneducated is very very narrow minded, and deserve their dictators imposed on them.

[SoroushPersepolisi]

Originally Posted by Irandoost

US presidents follow the same foreign policy, they just go about it in different ways.Repunlicans=War, democrats=Covert operation.

One way to prove this is what's happening in Syria was planned in 2007 by the Bush Adminstration, yet Obama is following the same policy.

I read the above comment, but in modern days revolutions are not authentic anymore, unless they are well ahead planned by outside sources, and massivly advertised through propaganda or militants.


We can see that the Muslim brotherhood gaining grounds in Libya and Egypt by outside sources which were planned by Bush adminstartion in 2007.

and I think you are being naive towards the Egyptions, almost half of the eqyption think MB hijacked their revolution.


we can also see places like Bahrain where b/c of outside support oppsition forces were shut down and there was a virtual media blackout about it.

Revolutions are not authentic anymore. The US and European countries desginate their prefered governmnet and install them in Middle Eastern

countries to further their cause in the region.


The Gulf Arabs will not last One day in bahrain and saudi arabia if USA stops supporting them, you sound very naive to think these dictators are

chosen by their people, espcially places like Bahrain where the vast majority are very well educated and don't want to live under the "superior" arab

tribes. To say these people are poor and uneducated is very very narrow minded, and deserve their dictators imposed on them.

most of them arent revolting because they want a perfect equal system with democratic rules and a proper constitution,with equal rights for women and a healthy advanced economy etc, they are just pissed , they want the current dictator to move so another clan can come , these are what we call "osian" in persian

yes they dont want to live under the "superior" arab, they then choose another arab to come and sit on the thrown and do eveything

u also shouldnt compare persian gulf arabs to egyptians
egypt is probably the largest and socially evolved arab state, u cant compare them to bahrain or kuwait

egypt is a more divided state in terms of socio-political views
as u say, the west decides many things , and they choose the MB but many egyptians actually support it ! they seem to want sharia!

just shows that many people in the region are still asleep, they think they are independent when in reality the west is leading them to choose certain path ways which destroys real progress and prosperity



this all goes hand in hand with the fact that when the west started dictating the region, the people were to backward to even think about independence and to fight back etc, so they grew with this western cancer and still most people have that because they initially were weak

syria for ex, they think they are going to become some strong country, independent when assad is gone, but no, they will continue being the same crap just under a different name

[Irandoost]

Originally Posted by SoroushPersepolisi

most of them arent revolting because they want a perfect equal system with democratic rules and a proper constitution,with equal rights for women and a healthy advanced economy etc, they are just pissed , they want the current dictator to move so another clan can come , these are what we call "osian" in persian

yes they dont want to live under the "superior" arab, they then choose another arab to come and sit on the thrown and do eveything

u also shouldnt compare persian gulf arabs to egyptians
egypt is probably the largest and socially evolved arab state, u cant compare them to bahrain or kuwait

egypt is a more divided state in terms of socio-political views
as u say, the west decides many things , and they choose the MB but many egyptians actually support it ! they seem to want sharia!

just shows that many people in the region are still asleep, they think they are independent when in reality the west is leading them to choose certain path ways which destroys real progress and prosperity



this all goes hand in hand with the fact that when the west started dictating the region, the people were to backward to even think about independence and to fight back etc, so they grew with this western cancer and still most people have that because they initially were weak

syria for ex, they think they are going to become some strong country, independent when assad is gone, but no, they will continue being the same crap just under a different name

Are you reading the news about Egypt, they have been protesteing aganist the Muslim brotherhood for a month now, the opposition group just

declared an entire region independant from Muslim Brotherhood. They are gonna form a separate country. Yet this is somehow is blocked in the

mainstream media , b.c the USA and Europeans love to keep the puppet M.B in place
.
It's getting really interesting, I wonder whats gonna happen.

and Bahranis are very educauted, I can definately see similarties between their society and ours, don't group their revloution with the "FSA" extremist.

[abii]

stupid thread

yeah let's have 100K to a million people die and the whole country bombed b/c you want a regime change now.

Get back to me when your entire family is getting cleaned off the floor with a power wash after a 2000 pound american bomb accidentally fell on their house.

[Persan]

Seriously? Again with the ethnic discussion? I'm not going to delete this thread, but NO ETHNIC discussions. NONE!

[KalePache]

I would gladly put a bullet inbetween the eyes of such traitors on the battlefield.

[sursena]

Originally Posted by KalePache

I would gladly put a bullet inbetween the eyes of such traitors on the battlefield.

Peace man. Dont be so angry. You are not an island, you are a human being like everyelse.

[sursena]

Originally Posted by Irandoost

I dont think USA or Europe care about what the Iranian people want.

It seems like MKO has massive amount of support not only from American politicans but also European politicans as well..

SO if Americans or Europeans want MKO to rule Iran. It will happen. It really doesn't matter what we want.

The truth is most Middle Eastern governments are puppets to America and Europe and serve their interets in the ME. Do we have a better choice? I

don't think so. Kind of depressing..

Same thing with the FSA, the majority of them are Islamist terrorists, and Syrians dont really want them to rule... But guess what? They got support

from 10 different countries... they got arms and are being recognized as the legitimate government.

So there is still a possibility that MKO will rule or at least be used for terrorists type attacks inside Iran, kind of like the FSA. I mean no American

citizen will tolerate another ME war, so they'll likely use MKO for any military operation inside Iran. MKO already operates on US military bases in

Afghanistan and Qatar, bahrain,etc..

So if the big dogs want MKO, they will get MKO...it really doesn't matter how we feel about it.....

You are right. But I think the great goal to the whole human kind is no more wars, just open markets, and the "war" will be just a matter of competition in business. We are not anymore citizens of countries, we are free people in a free world. At least for now in the West but soon the whole humanity. And the internet is the main way to that.

[SoroushPersepolisi]

ok , u can stop with the whole "we in the west etc", yes we know u sre liberal etc and its nice

but remember ur country was made off of colonialism and slavery and rading other peoples' lands

the talk of peace and humanity is nice, we are all human and equal, but we are different, we all need to celebrate differences and learn rather than all become the same , thats boring and un human

[SoroushPersepolisi]

when u think of foreign invasion, think of this, dead iranian school kids from the iraqi attacks