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Old December 13th, 2015, 03:56 PM   #2281
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I heard that Emirates have recently withdrawn one of their early Boeing 777-300ER. What will happen with this plane?
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Old December 13th, 2015, 05:31 PM   #2282
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I heard that Emirates have recently withdrawn one of their early Boeing 777-300ER. What will happen with this plane?
Where did you hear it? Source please? AFAIK, EK doesn't plan to retire any of the 77Ws yet

Edit: I have googled it and indeed, found out something.

http://www.thenational.ae/business/a...with-new-a380s
http://www.gulfbusiness.com/articles...veries-arrive/
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Old December 13th, 2015, 06:19 PM   #2283
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The new Cathay Pacific livery has been unveiled.

Pardon my French, but this new livery is pretty much like the old one.
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Old December 13th, 2015, 08:17 PM   #2284
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Pardon my French, but this new livery is pretty much like the old one.
Agreed -I thought they were going to go for something like this:

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Old December 14th, 2015, 12:01 AM   #2285
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Where did you hear it? Source please? AFAIK, EK doesn't plan to retire any of the 77Ws yet

Edit: I have googled it and indeed, found out something.

http://www.thenational.ae/business/a...with-new-a380s
http://www.gulfbusiness.com/articles...veries-arrive/
This is the news source:

http://aviationtribune.com/airlines/...rcraft-in-2016

But apparently, they had yet to execute this plan.
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Old December 14th, 2015, 02:34 PM   #2286
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Agreed -I thought they were going to go for something like this:

That's much cooler livery than the new, corporate-boring one. I think Cathay needs to use some powerful, vibrant shade of green in its airplanes. A green that reflects Hong Kong's vibe, yet demonstrating Cathay's top-nocht product.
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Old December 14th, 2015, 03:48 PM   #2287
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The 777X will have a different layout of exits. You can see that in the following pictures:



I wonder why they haven`t stretched the 777x in the longest version to 80m?

Isn`t the max size for the big airports 80 x 80m?
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Old December 14th, 2015, 05:30 PM   #2288
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I wonder why they haven`t stretched the 777x in the longest version to 80m? Isn`t the max size for the big airports 80 x 80m?
Issue isn't airports but more so during rotation the aircraft would suffer a tail strike..
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Old December 14th, 2015, 07:46 PM   #2289
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Over the weekend there was a fire at the 777x Composite Wing Factory Construction site.

I was there live tweeting the response and details. Winds hampered the fire fighting efforts and they were also challenged with the height of where the fire was located. None of there ladder trucks could reach it.

From the report from the "Snohomish County Scanner Report" facebook page.

"This is the 777 Composite wing building (40-58). No one was inside the building as it is still under construction. No construction workers were inside at the time of the fire. It is believed to have started on the roof on the west side of the building. Several fire agencies throughout Snohomish County responded to assist Boeing Fire with putting the fire out."

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Old December 15th, 2015, 02:39 PM   #2290
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Issue isn't airports but more so during rotation the aircraft would suffer a tail strike..
So whats the difference to the 84m long AN-225?


There also have been plans to stretch the A380 to 80m.
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Old December 15th, 2015, 05:19 PM   #2291
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Issue isn't airports but more so during rotation the aircraft would suffer a tail strike..
Well in that case, the wings' locations in the fuselage can be bit further backwards (lets say 4 meters or so) and so the main landing gears, perhaps?
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Old December 15th, 2015, 05:27 PM   #2292
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I think the new 77W's coming out of Boeing don't even have the skip pad any more because a computer program in the cockpit prevents tail strikes anymore.
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Old December 16th, 2015, 07:45 AM   #2293
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So whats the difference to the 84m long AN-225?


There also have been plans to stretch the A380 to 80m.
Ground clearance, landing gear, rotation AoA, and empennage shape.
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Old December 19th, 2015, 01:58 AM   #2294
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Emirates 777 A6-EPH delivery flight from PAE w/20 on board with this Emirates now has 112 B777-300ER Source : https://twitter.com/mattcawby?lang=en
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Old December 19th, 2015, 01:59 AM   #2295
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Korean Air 777 HL8009 off PAE on a C1 customer flight with 13 in board (Same Source as above)
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Old December 19th, 2015, 05:36 AM   #2297
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I wonder why they haven`t stretched the 777x in the longest version to 80m?

Isn`t the max size for the big airports 80 x 80m?
Because its capacity will definitely kill the 747-800 program.
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Because its capacity will definitely kill the 747-800 program.
No. The 747-8I is moribund anyway. Boeing would much prefer that one of their own products would kill it than a competitor's product would kill it. The 777-9X is so near in size and so much more efficient than the 747-8I, that an 80m hypothetical 777X would be no more effective than the 777-9X in killing the 747-8I.

The real reason why the 777-9X is a very short stretch over the 777-300ER and the 777-8X is a much longer stretch over the 777-200ER is that those are the sizes the airlines want. The airlines (with very few exceptions) do not want 747-8I and larger aircraft -- at least not at 777X economics. If Airbus or Boeing could figure out a way to make an aircraft in the 747-8I to A380 size range that cost 20% less per square meter of floor area to operate than a 777-X, then airlines would be queueing around the block.
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Old December 19th, 2015, 09:54 AM   #2299
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Boeing is already pushing the limits with the wings of the 777X, if they would also go to 80m in length they would also be pushing the limits on the that point. It's probably possible, but after the 787 problem Boeing has become a bit more conservative. I believe that's the main reason for only stretching the 777-9 with just 2.6 meters. Not pushing the envelop too much this time, prevent risking delays and cost overruns.

But it does give Airbus the chance to pass the 777X by stretching the A350 beyond the A350-1000.
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The 65 meter maximum wingspan to use Category E gates and taxiways applies to the A350 and the 777 equally, so I'm a little bit skeptical about a hypothetical A350-1100. I suspect the 777-9X will be the largest single deck airliner for a while.
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