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Old December 21st, 2012, 08:44 PM   #221
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Interesting. Will SQ retrofit any of its older B772 regional aircraft? I mean, many of them sport the older F and C class seats...
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Old December 21st, 2012, 09:25 PM   #222
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Aren't those being replaced by the new A330s.


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And from the Boeing press releases today.

China Airlines firmed up their order for 6 777-300ERs.
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TAIPEI, Taiwan, Dec. 21, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing [NYSE: BA] and China Airlines today announced an order for six 777-300ERs (Extended Range) airplanes. The order, which is valued at approximately $2 billion at list prices, includes purchase rights for four additional 777-300ERs. The new airplanes will become the first 777s to join China Airlines' fleet.

"The introduction of the 777-300ER into our fleet is another important step toward growing our global operations and enhancing our product offering," said Huang-Hsiang Sun, president of China Airlines. "The 777-300ER sets the standard for twin-aisle airplanes with improved reliability and airplane performance. Our new 777-300ER airplanes will feature new interiors that will enhance the flying experience for our passengers."

Taiwan's flag carrier is in the midst of renewing its long-haul fleet and plans to operate the new 777-300ERs on new trans-Pacific flights between North America and Asia. The new airplanes will help the airline enhance its status as the largest airline in Taiwan and a leading global carrier.

"China Airlines has been a valued Boeing customer for more than 50 years and we are honored the airline has chosen the 777-300ER to expand its long-haul fleet," said Ray Conner, president and CEO of Boeing Commercial Airplanes. "The introduction of the new 777-300ERs will provide China Airlines with new state-of-the-art cabin interiors, while adding improved airplane performance and economics to its long haul fleet."

The Boeing 777 is the world's most successful twin-engine, long-haul airplane and it continues to be preferred by airlines around the world, setting a record of 200 airplane orders in 2011. It is 19 percent lighter than its closest competitor, produces 22 percent less carbon dioxide per seat and costs 20 percent less to operate per seat. China Airlines will configure its 777-300ERs to accommodate more than 350 passengers in a three-class configuration and has a maximum range of 7,825 nautical miles (14,490 km).

In addition to the Boeing order for six 777-300ERs, China Airlines also will lease four 777-300ERs from GE Capital Aviation Services (GECAS). China Airlines currently operates 23 Boeing passenger airplanes consisting of 747-400s and 737-800s, and 21 Boeing cargo aircraft consisting of 747-400Fs.

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This brings the net orders for 2012 to 68.
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Old December 21st, 2012, 09:32 PM   #223
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Sure, but I don't think it will be enough, especially with the number of rotations the regional 772s get from SIN (e.g. BKK, MNL, SGN, HKG, TPE, CGK, HAN, DPS). Plus, I believe that the regional 772s carry more passengers than the 333s, if not equal.
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The A333 are also for the regional routes and even though they carry less people then SIAs 772s with the highest density they are about the same size as the oldest 772s that are now being phased out. 4 have gone to Scoot and several have gone to Transaero. And recently 1 was even scrapped, it was the 3rd 777 that was cut up that was not written off. This was the 9V-SQG.

The A333s will replace the oldest 777s, then the A350-900s will replace the last 772s including the ones that are now modernized and even the A333s that have 5 or 6 year leases.
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Old January 2nd, 2013, 09:00 AM   #225
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777 is the best looking aircraft! Love its perfect circular fuselage

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Old January 2nd, 2013, 09:27 AM   #226
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Certainly agree with you on that one! And it is indeed one of the most popular long-haul aircraft, if not the most popular, of all time! Its multiple variants, from the -200LR to the -300ER, as well as their original versions, show the aircraft's longevity, and I would really like to ride on one of them again in the near future.
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Old January 2nd, 2013, 09:41 AM   #227
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I agree completely. The 747 has had its day. Long live the triple 7!!

So far I have notched up BA, CX, SQ, EK, EY, JL, NH and PR.
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Awesome! Which among them has the best interiors and livery?
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I really like the privacy (and service) that you get with BA in business class. NH/JL service is good but I always find their IFE lacking.

BTW, I find EK interiors very tacky.
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Hmmm I wonder how I can afford to ride business class on any airline, if at all, especially with the B777 or B787. Is it like, expensive?
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For anyone interested in EKs vast range of configurations across their fleet of B77Ws & B77Ls...

B777-300ER, 2-class – 1 aircraft
Deep reclining in J, Old economy in Y, ICE
A6-EBL
ExpertFlyer aircraft code: 73Y

B777-300ER, 2-class – 5 aircraft
Deep reclining in J, New Weber seats in Y, ICE
A6-EBT, A6-EBV, A6-EBX, A6-EBZ, A6-ECB*
* IFE is ICE digital widescreen
ExpertFlyer aircraft code: 73R

B777-300ER, 2-class – 8 aircraft
Lie-flats in J, New Weber seats in Y, ICE
A6-EBA, A6-EBD, A6-EBF, A6-EBH, A6-EBP, A6-EBS, A6-ECY*, A6-ECZ*
* IFE is ICE digital widescreen
ExpertFlyer aircraft code: 73J

B777-300ER, 3-class – 7 aircraft
SkyCruiser in F, Deep reclining in J, Old economy in Y, ICE
A6-EBC, A6-EBE, A6-EBG, A6-EBJ, A6-EBM, A6-EBN, A6-EBO
ExpertFlyer aircraft code: 73X

B777-300ER, 3-class – 4 aircraft
Suites in F, Lie-flats in J, New Weber seats in Y, ICE
A6-EBB, A6-EBI, A6-EBK, A6-EGD*
Note: although the specification is similar to the sub-fleet below, these aircraft do not have the crew rest area and thus will not be dispatched alongside that sub-fleet.
* IFE is ICE digital widescreen not ICE
ExpertFlyer aircraft code: 73W

B777-300ER, 3-class – 31 aircraft
Suites in F, Lie-flats in J, New Weber seats in Y, ICE digital widescreen
A6-EBQ*, A6-EBR*, A6-EBU*, A6-EBW*, A6-EBY*, A6-ECA, A6-ECC through A6-ECX, A6-EGA through A6-EGC
* IFE is ICE not ICE digital widescreen
ExpertFlyer aircraft code: 73M
ExpertFlyer aircraft code: 73N (for A6-EBQ/EBR/EBU/EBW/EBY only)

B777-200LR, 3-class – 10 aircraft
Suites in F, Lie-flats in J, New Weber seats in Y, ICE digital widescreen
A6-EWA through A6-EWJ
ExpertFlyer aircraft code: 77L
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It looks like the 2-class B77W is much less than I thought (14 versus 42), and EK has more three-class B777s. Hmmm, perhaps EK could upgrade its 2-class B77Ws to have ICE widescreen or ICE digital widescreen so that more people can appreciate watching television and play better games on board.
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It looks like the 2-class B77W is much less than I thought (14 versus 42), and EK has more three-class B777s. Hmmm, perhaps EK could upgrade its 2-class B77Ws to have ICE widescreen or ICE digital widescreen so that more people can appreciate watching television and play better games on board.
The 1st wave of B77W deliveries have under gone refurbishment... I have not come across any details concerning the 2 class B77W...

The aircraft now sports Suites in F, lie-flat seats in J and new Weber seats in Y. Note, the IFE on this aircraft remains ICE not ICE digital widescreen.

There are 10 B77W sub-fleet that have SkyCruisers in F, deep reclining in J and old economy seats in Y. Although the configuration and layout is similar to the other Suites equipped 3-class B77Ws this sub-fleet of 10 aircraft were in the first wave of B77W deliveries hence do not have over-head crew rest areas installed. As a result these aircraft will not be dispatched alongside those aircraft. As a reminder this sub-fleet of aircraft are registered A6-EBB/EBC/EBE/EBG/EBI/EBJ/EBK/EBM/EBN/EBO.
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Very interesting. I think those ten (without the overhead crew rest areas) are primarily used on short hops, particularly to within the Middle East and the Indian Subcontinent.
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Very interesting. I think those ten (without the overhead crew rest areas) are primarily used on short hops, particularly to within the Middle East and the Indian Subcontinent.
I agree... Taking a closer look at EKs configurations and route network I wouldn't want to be part of the Scheduling Department during the event of an aircraft going tech and requiring a sub-type... Nightmare!
As for the crew rest this has not stopped SQ from operating their non -ER B773 fleet on routes exceeding 9 hours such as SIN-AKL... SQ was heavily criticised for operating the type with nil crew rest areas...
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I'd say that SQ operating a non -ER aircraft on long-haul routes is a disgrace, if not unacceptable, because it forces crew members not to rest on potentially a full flight, and it would just make them even more stressed all the way to their destination, especially if it is a westbound flight. Is it possible to retrofit those non-ER 777s to have crew rest areas?
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From a quick search on Google I found out that Delta retrofitted crew rest area's on some of their 772s. It's difficult and expensive and is best done during a complete cabin overhaul.

For Singapore Airlines it might not be interesting since they keep their fleet young and will certainly not do a retrofit on their 773s since they are already leaving the fleet.

Having said that, Transaero have bought 4 773s from Singapore and are using them on long intercontinental routes, without any cabin modifications therefor no dedicated crew rest area.
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I believe SQ utilized the non -ERs on long haul flights for a short period and the airline was heavily criticized for doing so considering the length of the flight west bound...
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Aha. I then wonder if that aircraft type is now used for its short- to medium-haul flights (e.g. Singapore to India, Sri Lanka, Southeast Asia, China, Japan, Taiwan, and South Korea) to hopefully replace its older B772s.
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