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Old January 3rd, 2013, 08:28 AM   #241
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She looks really stunning after a fresh coat of paint! That'll be a really good addition for the venerable Russian flag carrier, and it just shows how much Aeroflot has progressed over the decades.
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Old January 3rd, 2013, 12:22 PM   #242
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She looks really stunning after a fresh coat of paint! That'll be a really good addition for the venerable Russian flag carrier, and it just shows how much Aeroflot has progressed over the decades.
Aeroflot have certainly come a long way... I remember flying onboard an Aeroflot Tu-154 to Lisboa in 1989, let me tell you it wasn't a pleasant flying experience...
Something tells me the NEW AA scheme will be somewhere down this path...
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Old January 3rd, 2013, 12:31 PM   #243
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Hopefully so too! The new livery will have a shade of gray, not anymore its long-time aluminum livery, like you can see the skin of the aircraft.
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Old January 3rd, 2013, 02:51 PM   #244
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I wonder if the elderly variant of Boeing 777 (such as -200, -200ER, and -300 non ER) are still in production?
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Old January 3rd, 2013, 04:38 PM   #245
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Apart from the 300ER, most orders outstanding are for the 777F which is derived from the 200LR. There are a handful of 200ER's on order; All Nippon being one airline still taking delivery of them.
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Old January 3rd, 2013, 07:34 PM   #246
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There are still 9 unfulfilled 777-200ERs orders:
AA: 5
ANA: 3
Asiana: 1
http://active.boeing.com/commercial/...tF=View+Report

It's not certain if all of these will be delivered.

The 777-200 and the 777-300, both non ER are not for sale and in production anymore. Instead Boeing offers the ER variants of both version with de-rated engines for airlines that don't want to use the Extra Range. Like the -200ERs that ANA took delivery of last year that are used for domestic services.



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Boeing released their 2012 figures for all types, here are the number for the 777.

Gross Orders: 75
Net Orders: 68
Deliveries: 83
Unfilled orders: 365
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2552
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Old January 3rd, 2013, 07:54 PM   #247
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Must be another great year for the 777 production line. Well done Boeing!
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Old January 3rd, 2013, 10:00 PM   #248
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Awesome Aeroflot Boeing 777.
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Old January 4th, 2013, 02:29 PM   #249
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What about Boeing 777-200LR? Are they still in production?
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Bagus I think they are.
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They are indeed, but there are only 3 outstanding orders.

1 for Ethiopian Airlines & 2 for Turkmenistan Airlines. It's not really a big seller, it only got 2 orders last year, the 1 for Ethiopian and 1 for Iraq that took the 1 that Air Austral cancelled after it was assembled.
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Perhaps Boeing could scale down its manufacturing and focus instead on the long order list for the 77W. Perhaps they could improve the 772ER even further and make it even more attractive for airlines to buy, including mood lighting.
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Old January 4th, 2013, 08:27 PM   #253
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Perhaps Boeing could scale down its manufacturing and focus instead on the long order list for the 77W. Perhaps they could improve the 772ER even further and make it even more attractive for airlines to buy, including mood lighting.
Never understood why they never put the raked wing tips on the classic 777s.
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Perhaps Boeing could scale down its manufacturing and focus instead on the long order list for the 77W. Perhaps they could improve the 772ER even further and make it even more attractive for airlines to buy, including mood lighting.
Since all 777s are assembled on the same production line, so it's not a matter of scaling back but they can always prioritize the 77W. But since they also still have 55 777Fs to deliver it's not really an option.

The next version of the 777-200ER will be the 777-8X. But there's a possibility of an upgrade of the 77L together with the upgrade of the 77W that Boeing is currently planning in couple of years in advance of the 777X project. That should reduce fuel burn up to 5% when it's implemented, if they also do this for the 777-200LR it might be enough for some more customers to make another order. But with 77W, the improvement A330-300 that already reduced the 772 sales and the upcoming 787-10 it's going to be hard. Boeing is most likely to focus mainly on the 777W and the 787 as a good replacement for the current 772 operators.
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Perhaps because at the time, the raked wing tips were not originally included in the 777 to begin with. It must have been added as a later addition.
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Perhaps because at the time, the raked wing tips were not originally included in the 777 to begin with. It must have been added as a later addition.
It came out first with the 77W, and then the L version after that. What I can't understand is its been around a decade now since the W came out, and in that time frame how hard would it of been to add raken wing tips to the classic knowing the benefits?

If I remember right the 764 had it first.
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I don't know. It must be with the later designs and improvements, not necessarily with the early specs that came with the classic 777.
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Basically the 77L is the raked wing tip version of the classic 772s. The only thing is that they optimized it for ultra long haul, ff they hadn't done that they would have created a 777-200ER version with the raked wing tips. That might have given the 777-200ER a bit more orders, but that would also have had a dampening effect on the number of 77W orders. And even then it would have been hard to compete with the 77W, it was the airlines opting for the bigger version that basically killed off the 772ER.
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Old January 10th, 2013, 01:33 PM   #259
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777F for Lufthansa Cargo

The first Boeing 777F with Lufthansa Cargo livery is taking off this year:


Source: Lufthansa Cargo Facebook Fanpage
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Old January 10th, 2013, 09:50 PM   #260
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Really good livery!
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